The Coooach wrote:C'mon guys. This team is weak and small. Who says Randolph will be anything more than MEDIOCRE. You guys act like he is a saviour. That's too much to put on a kid. The team has too many tweeners. There best players are guards. A major over-haul up front is needed. too many one-dimenional players. You guys are still in that same ol' tired bag of the famous 8th seed. Screw the 8th seed. Why even participate if you not going to try to win it all. Who cares if you get the 8th seed and then get your ass kicked. That's not sucess. You're suppose to try to win it all every year.

If you don't think I'm correct, tell your kid s to only try to kid a "c" in school. Tell your kid that all c"s are great. You know what, C students end up mowing the lawn of A and B students.

The Coooach wrote:C'mon guys. This team is weak and small. Who says Randolph will be anything more than MEDIOCRE. You guys act like he is a saviour. That's too much to put on a kid. The team has too many tweeners. There best players are guards. A major over-haul up front is needed. too many one-dimenional players. You guys are still in that same ol' tired bag of the famous 8th seed. Screw the 8th seed. Why even participate if you not going to try to win it all. Who cares if you get the 8th seed and then get your ass kicked. That's not sucess. You're suppose to try to win it all every year.

If you don't think I'm correct, tell your kid s to only try to kid a "c" in school. Tell your kid that all c"s are great. You know what, C students end up mowing the lawn of A and B students.

migya wrote:

The Coooach wrote:C'mon guys. This team is weak and small. Who says Randolph will be anything more than MEDIOCRE. You guys act like he is a saviour. That's too much to put on a kid. The team has too many tweeners. There best players are guards. A major over-haul up front is needed. too many one-dimenional players. You guys are still in that same ol' tired bag of the famous 8th seed. Screw the 8th seed. Why even participate if you not going to try to win it all. Who cares if you get the 8th seed and then get your ass kicked. That's not sucess. You're suppose to try to win it all every year.

If you don't think I'm correct, tell your kid s to only try to kid a "c" in school. Tell your kid that all c"s are great. You know what, C students end up mowing the lawn of A and B students.

It depends how driven you are by that mentality. I know and have found out in my life that that mentality of having to win and pretty much all the time is is detrimental to your mind. I for one will not tell my child that she has to get "As" all the time or she won't be anything good in life, just won't say that because it isn't true.

It would be great for the team to be the champion every year, but I'd be happy with being a playoff team every year to be honest. That's much better than what we've had with this team for some twenty years now. This team has been digraceful, just awful for that long and being a playoff team, even if only once in every three years, is a vast improvement over what it has been for so long

Chum wrote:

The Coooach wrote:The starters cannot compete with the other starters in the league. So even healthjy, this team is horrible.

I just don't agree. Teams need time to gel and young players need time to develop. Injuries prevented any geling this season and Nelson (whom I continue to support to a degree) is guilty of not giving AR his needed minutes.

This lineup hindges on AR imho. If his game ever catches up to his obvious athleticism then he would be the All-Star big this team has needed for ages.

Here's how I see the starters...

PG - Curry: Brightest point on the team. Is looking better every game and does look like an all-star point guard in the making. His passing is sick, he needs to curb his turnovers, which he will. He's only a rookie.

SG - Monta: Boarderline all-star now. Awesome scorer with awesome athleticism. If he has a downside it is that he is short for his position, and will have a hard time defending some of the 6'7" and 6'8" SGs in the league. He's been a little ball-hoggy this season, but I have no problem with that. He needs to get comfortable being the main scorer on the team. He started off not dishing out when he was doubled or even tripled but he has already made improvements there. He's been kicking out of the double teams well lately.

SF - Mags: People seem to love him or hate him. I think many hate his contract. Regardless, his numbers have been stellar ESPECIALLY for a second scoring option. When the team needs to get to the line he does it, and he does it better than most in the league. He's also an excellent rebounder for a SF.

PF - AR: This is the key, as I've mentioned before. He has the height, speed, athleticism, blocking, rebounding, scoreing combo that you see in the top-tier all-stars in the league. He is very sloppy at times and really needs to tighten up his game. HE NEEDS BIG MINUTES!!! I think if he gets them he will be a nightmare for the rest of the PFs in the league.

C - Biedrins: He isn't playing to his potential. When he got his big contract he looked liked he deserved it. Now he doesn't. Is it because of the injury? Whatever his issue is, he is at least rebounding well atm, which is the weakest point in the Warrior's game. Get him back to his old self and he makes this team tough. If he can't get back to his former self, Turiaf can be just as good or better. I think splitting time between Biedrins and Turiaf will prove to be effective if/when they are both 100%.

So, it all comes back to Anthony Randolph. He needs to develop or the Warriors need to rebuild. In the meantime, the more games we lose the more likely we get a stud in the draft. Sometimes that's all that is needed to turn a franchise around.

AV Dawn wrote:Nice posts Chum. I've been a Dubs fan for five years now, and if the nonsense with GS continued for another ten+, then I would be as disgusted as the vets who post here. But since I'm not, I'm in a position to be optimistic.

There's still a lot of iffs with that lineup (injury-pronedness, size, Nellie's coaching), but I like it, and with enough court time together, (and with a different coach?), it's possible they could emulate Portland and OK City's success and direction.

I wonder if the Warriors could persuade/force Andris to not play for Latvia this summer? To be successful, he needs to be a high-energy guy - the equal of AR, but within a shorter radius of the basket. It seems that he's both worn out from international play, but also out of shape from his latest injury (unless that is contradictory and makes no sense). If he could stay in Oakland and work on his defensive footwork and anticipation, and finetune the pick and roll with Steph and Monta (not that they'd stay for the summer), he could hold his own with all but the best centers in this league. (yeah, another if, and a very unlikely one)

I'd definitley like to see Bell resigned. And lets not forget that VladRad is not going anywhere, and I'm thinking we might as well write him in instead of BW at the backup 4 and deal with it.

[edited because Chum did account for the high 1st round pick]

I dont think it's Nellies fault.. BLAME the GUY Who is causing all the injuries (Tom Abednour)

The reason why guys like Randolph gets less minutes is cause Don Nelson has no NBA capable players on his bench (so he has to go with Magette rather then the scrub from the NBDL cause his left with **** all ioptiopns)

AV Dawn wrote:Pawno Wrote:

I dont think it's Nellies fault.. BLAME the GUY Who is causing all the injuries (Tom Abednour)

The reason why guys like Randolph gets less minutes is cause Don Nelson has no NBA capable players on his bench (so he has to go with Magette rather then the scrub from the NBDL cause his left with **** all ioptiopns)

I was just trying to to be delicate about the whole Nellie situation - all I wrote was that Nellie's coaching of this lineup next year is an 'if' and later put a question mark next to if there should be a different coach.

I'm not inside GS management, so I treat all I hear about his role there as hearsay. I watched him coach the We Believe team and the following year and loved almost every second of it. I watched him coach early this season and early season last year and there were many occasions when I screamed at him through the screen (by mid-to-late season, it wasn't worth it)
Could he coach that lineup well next year? Perhaps. Perhaps they overwhelm teams with energy, hustle, quick d, steals, blocks, fastbreaks, 40% threes, and 50% fg from Monta (with less than 3 tos/game) and 12-14 assts/game from Steph/Monta and make it to the playoffs
Or, if Nelson is as diabolical as I read, and is the cause of many poor gm decisions and causes more to happen, and still sticks too long with cold/sloppy hands and lets hot hands/energy stew on the bench and so lets teams back into games then that lineup will get us 20-25 wins with a couple cool upsets and nothing more.

Whether the front office is screwing Nelson with subpar talent or Nelson is pulling the strings and screwing all to his either rational or irrational benefit, is not something I can speak to.

PAWNO wrote:

AV Dawn wrote:Pawno Wrote:

I dont think it's Nellies fault.. BLAME the GUY Who is causing all the injuries (Tom Abednour)

The reason why guys like Randolph gets less minutes is cause Don Nelson has no NBA capable players on his bench (so he has to go with Magette rather then the scrub from the NBDL cause his left with **** all ioptiopns)

I was just trying to to be delicate about the whole Nellie situation - all I wrote was that Nellie's coaching of this lineup next year is an 'if' and later put a question mark next to if there should be a different coach.

I'm not inside GS management, so I treat all I hear about his role there as hearsay. I watched him coach the We Believe team and the following year and loved almost every second of it. I watched him coach early this season and early season last year and there were many occasions when I screamed at him through the screen (by mid-to-late season, it wasn't worth it)
Could he coach that lineup well next year? Perhaps. Perhaps they overwhelm teams with energy, hustle, quick d, steals, blocks, fastbreaks, 40% threes, and 50% fg from Monta (with less than 3 tos/game) and 12-14 assts/game from Steph/Monta and make it to the playoffs
Or, if Nelson is as diabolical as I read, and is the cause of many poor gm decisions and causes more to happen, and still sticks too long with cold/sloppy hands and lets hot hands/energy stew on the bench and so lets teams back into games then that lineup will get us 20-25 wins with a couple cool upsets and nothing more.

Whether the front office is screwing Nelson with subpar talent or Nelson is pulling the strings and screwing all to his either rational or irrational benefit, is not something I can speak to.

i like to think Nellie has a good eye for NBDL talent.. but when guys like Koby, Tolliver and Martin are your 6th n 7th man... then you are royally screwed

migya wrote:

The Coooach wrote:C'mon guys. This team is weak and small. Who says Randolph will be anything more than MEDIOCRE. You guys act like he is a saviour. That's too much to put on a kid. The team has too many tweeners. There best players are guards. A major over-haul up front is needed. too many one-dimenional players. You guys are still in that same ol' tired bag of the famous 8th seed. Screw the 8th seed. Why even participate if you not going to try to win it all. Who cares if you get the 8th seed and then get your ass kicked. That's not sucess. You're suppose to try to win it all every year.

If you don't think I'm correct, tell your kid s to only try to kid a "c" in school. Tell your kid that all c"s are great. You know what, C students end up mowing the lawn of A and B students.

It depends how driven you are by that mentality. I know and have found out in my life that that mentality of having to win and pretty much all the time is is detrimental to your mind. I for one will not tell my child that she has to get "As" all the time or she won't be anything good in life, just won't say that because it isn't true.

It would be great for the team to be the champion every year, but I'd be happy with being a playoff team every year to be honest. That's much better than what we've had with this team for some twenty years now. This team has been digraceful, just awful for that long and being a playoff team, even if only once in every three years, is a vast improvement over what it has been for so long