migya wrote:

uptempo wrote:Mullin, with his inexperience, lack of vision, poor contract extensions, hiring of Monty and Nelson, and marginal draft choices, was very much integral in the continued malaise of this franchise; Mullin was also very integral in the brief resurgence that this franchise had briefly experienced. It was Mullin's trade for Baron Davis, Al Harrington, and Stephen Jackson which should have been the foundation for a much better run by this team.

Jackson, part of that troika, was left on a sinking ship, and he got out. Many on this board wanted no part of Stephen Jackson on this Warrior team; yet, now we see how people are still upset with Jackson. I did like his defensive presence and ability to match up well against both quicker as well as bigger players. As captain, he should have dealt with his grievances against the front office and coaching staff in a better way; yet, we also see a double-standard here: While we all agree that Jackson should have behaved more like a leader, we cannot overlook how Nelson had set the tone for selfishness with this team. Nelson had held this franchise hostage for more money one season after Mullin had given Nelson a chance to come back to the league and resurrect his career.

I wish Jackson well in Charlotte; he definitely has been instrumental in that franchise's improvement.

You know what though uptempo, Mullin did what he could and did better than not only the other GMs who were hired by this franchise in the decade plus before him, but many other GMs in the nba, past and present.

How hard it must have been for him to work with the seemingly rigid system of Cohan. Mullin was new and inexperienced and he did make a bad decision in the signing of Foyle. He can not really be blamed for the signing of Dunleavy, as Dunleavy was the third pick in his draft and was the starting SF of the team, compared to Mullin when he played for the team and so really needed at that time.

The trade of Murph and dun for Harrington and SJack was real good and worked great, so he not only undid a mistake of signing Dunleavy for the money he did, he made the team a playoff one. The drafting now looks weak by Mullin, but at the time of each draft it was not. Taft looked like a steal, Diogu looked alot like what they team needed and Belinelli likewise. Though Monta is the only one that has stayed and incidently made it big (I'm not sure AR was a Mullin pick), the whole draft picture made by Mullin was not that good. He did well catering to the coach he had and his style of coaching.

Mullin didn't have enough of a chance as roster decision maker and should have at least had until Nelson left

No Longer StuckInSoCal wrote:Yeah, but Uptempo, that lineup was so volatile I think most of us figured it could never last. You never knew what Baron and Jack were going to do, and you really didn't know how long you could count on Baron.

This was a lineup, which thrived under Nelson's trick small-ball lineup that CAN'T beat teams like the Spurs and Jazz, that had as many horrid nights as good ones. I don't think you could build a future around Baron, Jack and Harrington. Sure, they knocked off the Mavs, but we still give the Mavs fits now and we're BAD.

And really, do you want your team built around guys who can't control themselves and pick up bad technicals and get thrown out of games? Or who pull up their shirts and show off their belly after a wicked dunk? I mean, seriously, who does that?

Hindsight shows that we might as well have kept Baron, but I was among those who thought it was probably time for him to leave. Sadly, we had no idea how many would follow him and how quickly we'd sink.

Such is life.

uptempo wrote:

No Longer StuckInSoCal wrote:Yeah, but Uptempo, that lineup was so volatile I think most of us figured it could never last. You never knew what Baron and Jack were going to do, and you really didn't know how long you could count on Baron.

This was a lineup, which thrived under Nelson's trick small-ball lineup that CAN'T beat teams like the Spurs and Jazz, that had as many horrid nights as good ones. I don't think you could build a future around Baron, Jack and Harrington. Sure, they knocked off the Mavs, but we still give the Mavs fits now and we're BAD.

And really, do you want your team built around guys who can't control themselves and pick up bad technicals and get thrown out of games? Or who pull up their shirts and show off their belly after a wicked dunk? I mean, seriously, who does that?

Hindsight shows that we might as well have kept Baron, but I was among those who thought it was probably time for him to leave. Sadly, we had no idea how many would follow him and how quickly we'd sink.

Such is life.

If the roster was that volatile, then it would have made much sense to trade Davis, Harrington and Jackson when they had their highest trade value and not to let them go and sign with another team or demand trades and hold the team hostage. A successful team needs to stay ahead of the curve and not just wait to react to a crisis.

By adding an inside player to that lineup, the Warriors could have competed with the best teams in the NBA.

Man, it is really quite sad to see such a proud franchise with such knowledgeable fans stuck in the lottery each and every year.

...sigh...

No Longer StuckInSoCal wrote:

uptempo wrote:

No Longer StuckInSoCal wrote:Yeah, but Uptempo, that lineup was so volatile I think most of us figured it could never last. You never knew what Baron and Jack were going to do, and you really didn't know how long you could count on Baron.

This was a lineup, which thrived under Nelson's trick small-ball lineup that CAN'T beat teams like the Spurs and Jazz, that had as many horrid nights as good ones. I don't think you could build a future around Baron, Jack and Harrington. Sure, they knocked off the Mavs, but we still give the Mavs fits now and we're BAD.

And really, do you want your team built around guys who can't control themselves and pick up bad technicals and get thrown out of games? Or who pull up their shirts and show off their belly after a wicked dunk? I mean, seriously, who does that?

Hindsight shows that we might as well have kept Baron, but I was among those who thought it was probably time for him to leave. Sadly, we had no idea how many would follow him and how quickly we'd sink.

Such is life.

If the roster was that volatile, then it would have made much sense to trade Davis, Harrington and Jackson when they had their highest trade value and not to let them go and sign with another team or demand trades and hold the team hostage. A successful team needs to stay ahead of the curve and not just wait to react to a crisis.

By adding an inside player to that lineup, the Warriors could have competed with the best teams in the NBA.

Man, it is really quite sad to see such a proud franchise with such knowledgeable fans stuck in the lottery each and every year.

...sigh...

I'm not sure what would have made sense. I mean, the Warriors basically cashed in with Baron and Nelly with a strategy that isn't viable in the NBA. We saw the Suns (with a MUCH better lineup) try it out and they got destroyed by the Spurs.

My conclusion is that Warriors should just throw out the two Nelson years when evaluating the organization for the past 20 years. They caught lightning in a bottle with a strategy that could win 40+ games but was not going to good enough to contend.

There are some posters here I disagree with all the time... but not on the small ball theory. Run TMC never won much. Baron's team barely squeaked into the playoffs and beat a "soft" team that isn't well suited to stop small ball. The Suns couldn't win with a stacked lineup that included Nash, Johnson, Barbosa, the Matrix and Amare.

No Longer StuckInSoCal wrote:

uptempo wrote:

No Longer StuckInSoCal wrote:Yeah, but Uptempo, that lineup was so volatile I think most of us figured it could never last. You never knew what Baron and Jack were going to do, and you really didn't know how long you could count on Baron.

This was a lineup, which thrived under Nelson's trick small-ball lineup that CAN'T beat teams like the Spurs and Jazz, that had as many horrid nights as good ones. I don't think you could build a future around Baron, Jack and Harrington. Sure, they knocked off the Mavs, but we still give the Mavs fits now and we're BAD.

And really, do you want your team built around guys who can't control themselves and pick up bad technicals and get thrown out of games? Or who pull up their shirts and show off their belly after a wicked dunk? I mean, seriously, who does that?

Hindsight shows that we might as well have kept Baron, but I was among those who thought it was probably time for him to leave. Sadly, we had no idea how many would follow him and how quickly we'd sink.

Such is life.

If the roster was that volatile, then it would have made much sense to trade Davis, Harrington and Jackson when they had their highest trade value and not to let them go and sign with another team or demand trades and hold the team hostage. A successful team needs to stay ahead of the curve and not just wait to react to a crisis.

By adding an inside player to that lineup, the Warriors could have competed with the best teams in the NBA.

Man, it is really quite sad to see such a proud franchise with such knowledgeable fans stuck in the lottery each and every year.

...sigh...

I'm not sure what would have made sense. I mean, the Warriors basically cashed in with Baron and Nelly with a strategy that isn't viable in the NBA. We saw the Suns (with a MUCH better lineup) try it out and they got destroyed by the Spurs.

My conclusion is that Warriors should just throw out the two Nelson years when evaluating the organization for the past 20 years. They caught lightning in a bottle with a strategy that could win 40+ games but was not going to good enough to contend.

There are some posters here I disagree with all the time... but not on the small ball theory. Run TMC never won much. Baron's team barely squeaked into the playoffs and beat a "soft" team that isn't well suited to stop small ball. The Suns couldn't win with a stacked lineup that included Nash, Johnson, Barbosa, the Matrix and Amare.

GSW2006 wrote:

No Longer StuckInSoCal wrote:

uptempo wrote:

No Longer StuckInSoCal wrote:Yeah, but Uptempo, that lineup was so volatile I think most of us figured it could never last. You never knew what Baron and Jack were going to do, and you really didn't know how long you could count on Baron.

This was a lineup, which thrived under Nelson's trick small-ball lineup that CAN'T beat teams like the Spurs and Jazz, that had as many horrid nights as good ones. I don't think you could build a future around Baron, Jack and Harrington. Sure, they knocked off the Mavs, but we still give the Mavs fits now and we're BAD.

And really, do you want your team built around guys who can't control themselves and pick up bad technicals and get thrown out of games? Or who pull up their shirts and show off their belly after a wicked dunk? I mean, seriously, who does that?

Hindsight shows that we might as well have kept Baron, but I was among those who thought it was probably time for him to leave. Sadly, we had no idea how many would follow him and how quickly we'd sink.

Such is life.

If the roster was that volatile, then it would have made much sense to trade Davis, Harrington and Jackson when they had their highest trade value and not to let them go and sign with another team or demand trades and hold the team hostage. A successful team needs to stay ahead of the curve and not just wait to react to a crisis.

By adding an inside player to that lineup, the Warriors could have competed with the best teams in the NBA.

Man, it is really quite sad to see such a proud franchise with such knowledgeable fans stuck in the lottery each and every year.

...sigh...

I'm not sure what would have made sense. I mean, the Warriors basically cashed in with Baron and Nelly with a strategy that isn't viable in the NBA. We saw the Suns (with a MUCH better lineup) try it out and they got destroyed by the Spurs.

My conclusion is that Warriors should just throw out the two Nelson years when evaluating the organization for the past 20 years. They caught lightning in a bottle with a strategy that could win 40+ games but was not going to good enough to contend.

There are some posters here I disagree with all the time... but not on the small ball theory. Run TMC never won much. Baron's team barely squeaked into the playoffs and beat a "soft" team that isn't well suited to stop small ball. The Suns couldn't win with a stacked lineup that included Nash, Johnson, Barbosa, the Matrix and Amare.

Call it what you will but I will take those players over the trash we have now. Who cares if it wasn't a perfectly constructed team, at least we were competitive. I'd take 10 yrs of being competitive and not winning a championship over the perennial lottery tradition of the golden state warriors.

GSW2006 wrote:Agreed. But we were one big-man trade away from being a contender. Compare that to now.

bolswat wrote:

GSW2006 wrote:Agreed. But we were one big-man trade away from being a contender. Compare that to now.

Not this year, maybe with baron davis and pietrus plus j rich

migya wrote:Interesting today that SJack is spanking Kobe in their game. So far, with about 6mins to go, SJack has 30pts on 10-15FGs to Kobe's 5 pts on 2-11FGs

Quazza wrote:

migya wrote:Interesting today that SJack is spanking Kobe in their game. So far, with about 6mins to go, SJack has 30pts on 10-15FGs to Kobe's 5 pts on 2-11FGs

he'll frame that box score and hang it on his wall

migya wrote:

Quazza wrote:

migya wrote:Interesting today that SJack is spanking Kobe in their game. So far, with about 6mins to go, SJack has 30pts on 10-15FGs to Kobe's 5 pts on 2-11FGs

he'll frame that box score and hang it on his wall

We have to admit that he's had big games the last month