Don't talk to me migya. I don't respect or value a word you say. Your credibility is dog sh*t to me and has been for years. Your supporters have only ever been the sympathetic overseas crowd that I'm currently trying to have a level discussion with. You interjecting to stir the pot helps nothing. I'm tired of you running your mouth on me every couple of months with absolutely nothing you can say to better this place. You don't ever admit you're wrong. You don't ever speak with an open mind or a level head. You're a racist, you're a sexist, you're a drama-setter, you were a disgrace as a mod, you're a terrible representation of this place, and I'm done being cordial with you. Get the hell out of my business and quit sticking your big ass nose wherever I make a post. New rule: you don't talk to me, I don't talk to you. Because you're a child, I realize you'll respond to this post in true sophomoric, typical-migya fashion. That's fine. After you get your parting shot in the last word I leave you, I'm going to leave it at that and I expect you to do the same. I got nothing to say to you.
Now, back to the discussion we were trying to have like gentlemen:
Quazza wrote:so you mean an opinion that's different than yours?
No, I mean an opinion that doesn't take the facts into consideration. Myself and other supporters of this team are more than happy to admit the shortcomings Jamal Crawford and Corey Maggette display on defense. We'll readily admit their faults without hesitation. The problem is, the haters don't share the same philosophy. Anytime you claim the cancer of this team are the two gentlemen leading your team in scoring, you have a problem with comprehension. Period. You can claim that Maggette and/or Crawford aren't the best
options, but to pretend that this team is better off when those guys aren't playing is just plain ignorant. There's no excuse for that.
Quazza wrote:To an extent I know what you mean: I have seen many a Euro fan on here talking up a player that may come from their home country. Patriotism, can often be blind
But you yourself often come across as someone who feels they know more about the Warriors, or even basketball itself, because you live in the Bay Area. This, I strongly disagree with. I don't think anyone's opinion carries more or less weight because of their post/zip code
I don't either. I'll point to TMC as a surefire example of that. The man clearly knows what he's talking about. Even throughout his endless lambastings of Jamal Crawford, he has admitted that his hatred for Jamal is likened to my hatred for Nick Van Exel; it goes beyond basketball and creates an undeniable bias. TMC, in essence, discounted his own opinion on Crawford through a self admission of an inherant agenda. Its commendable and does absolute wonders for his credibility because it makes him that much more honest when it comes to other players. Unfortunately, this is not shared by the VAST majority of our non-American posters here. I'm not labeling anybody specifically, just telling it like it is.
As far as knowing the Warriors better than an overseas user, how can that even be argued? I don't have to download games; I catch them as they're being played. Every time. I don't need to search online for articles or box scores or updates; I get them every day in the newspaper. I don't need to search far and wide to find another human being that follows the same team I do; often times, my best conversation starter at work or in class pertains to this team. I am saturated in the essence of this team in a very close way and there's no substitution for the type of exposure a local fan gets compared to an overseas one. I go to the games in person. I can attend shoot arounds and open gyms and any meet-random-Warrior-in-person events. How can you claim that an overseas fan can possibly have the same first-hand information as a local fan?
Your right, let's move on. But for the record i don't think it's fair to lay a sweeping generalisation on all OS posters. "Fools" or not
Duely noted. As stated above, I'm simply calling it as I see it.
martin wrote:i love (at least playing) physical basketball and i have to notice that not all europeans are non-physical type players. i wouldn't call biedrins, rony, sabonis or marciulionis non-physical players. it hink both (especially) crawford and mags are rather soft players, especially on defense. so, while i don't see your logic here (anti-european tension, perhaps?), i must agree, that ignorance is not the best thing, but not he worst regarding basketball issues (which many people are doomed/blessed to be emotianally connected with, rather than analytically).
But even with the examples you stated, are you denying that the vast majority of European players to have infiltrated the NBA are physical? Its so prevelant, its become an absolute stereotype. I'm not sure how long you've been watching (not an insult, an honest lead-in), but the NBA did not have flopping
before the European influx. There were no 7-footers like Pau Gasol, Mehmet Okur, Vlade Divac, or Dirk Nowitski taking charges from guys half their size. Sure, you can throw me the once-in-a-blue-moon example like Brad Miller, but that doesn't change the fact that the majority of American-born NBA players do not flop, while the majority of European (or, to be fair, soccer
-emphasized-countries) do. Any country with a heavy soccer following seems to produce players that emulate the short-shorts wearing kickers that flail and squeal in attempts to draw red cards. That kind of BS never
happened before Stern took the game global. I feel as though that aspect is ruining basketball and I hold it against every player that perpetuates it. And, yes, that includes Corey Maggette. I take no joy out of watching a guy scream and kick in order to fool the referees into blowing their whistles.