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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:44 pm

NBA.com Player News wrote:Oden has gained 30 pounds of muscle this season bringing him near 280 pounds, The Oregonian reports. He has maintained his 7.8 percent body fat so all that additional weight is all upper-body muscle. He hasn't been able to do any lower body weight training because of his knee surgery. He should be a force to be reckoned with next season.

Thoughts...?

I don't think anybody is ignorant to believe Oden to be an ineffective player when he's on the floor, but I'm extremely weary of his (in?)ability to stay healthy. I think Oden will be another Pervous Elison: a player capable of 20 and 10 when he does play, but he'll likely never play more than 60 games in a season. Think Marcus Camby. On talent alone, he's a franchise player... but then there's that other stuff.

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TMC TMC's Profile Hall of Famer Posts: 18461 Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:48 am Location: Somewhere in this site... Poster Credit: -4	Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:43 pm 32 wrote:Thoughts...? I still want to see him play a NBA game before I can say anything about him. Right now, injuries seem to be an issue... and we all know that players that start this way, usually don't change. Seems like health might be a problem during his whole career. http://WWW.WARRIORSROUNDTABLE.COM
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JayPat JayPat's Profile All Star Posts: 3086 Joined: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:51 pm Location: Redwood City, CA Poster Credit: 0	Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:17 pm If he is still injury prone two years down the road, then it's over for him (for being a championship player). I'm not judging anything now, since he hasn't played his first game. Also, his wrist injury and his knee injury seem irrelevant, so I'd give it time.
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migya migya's Profile Hall of Famer Posts: 21536 Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:50 am Location: Perth Poster Credit: 28	Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:59 pm 7 foot 280 pounds is about right to be a real powerful force, as long as he stays mobile and can run. Oden has everything to prove but he looks every bit a star, from college games at least migya make the ring fall on ya
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:45 pm

The reason why he went to Portland is to carry on the Bill Walton tradition of being an absolute injury prone monster. I'd say he gets a stretch of 2-3 years where he can stay healthy and potentially lead the Blazers to a chip but beyond that he will have a hard time staying on the court.

But honestly, for that city and franchise, isn't the 2-3 years of health that he'd bring be worth it?

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lakerfool lakerfool's Profile Role Player Posts: 263 Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 12:13 pm Poster Credit: 0	Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:11 pm You don't gain 30 lbs of upper body muscle in a few months Some of that has to be fat, which isn't exactly good.
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JayPat JayPat's Profile All Star Posts: 3086 Joined: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:51 pm Location: Redwood City, CA Poster Credit: 0	Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:58 pm If you read the quote it says that it's all muscle.
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migya migya's Profile Hall of Famer Posts: 21536 Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:50 am Location: Perth Poster Credit: 28	Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:08 pm JayPat wrote:If you read the quote it says that it's all muscle. Yea, obviously he has just been hitting the weights all the time while he's injured and though it is not all that good to put on alot of weight, physical training is a must otherwise he would detrain alot and take months to get back to just good shape migya make the ring fall on ya
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GSW United GSW United's Profile All Star Posts: 1770 Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:59 pm Location: oakland Poster Credit: 3	Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:34 pm hmmm..greg oden...from his name i think he can't become a famous person...unless is like greg roden or greg modern... from the star calculation...he is only ok ok....
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TMC TMC's Profile Hall of Famer Posts: 18461 Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:48 am Location: Somewhere in this site... Poster Credit: -4	Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:08 am Thunder wrote:But honestly, for that city and franchise, isn't the 2-3 years of health that he'd bring be worth it? I'd sign anywhere for a player that can give us 3 years as a title contender... And so would any team in the NBA. http://WWW.WARRIORSROUNDTABLE.COM
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:41 pm

TMC wrote:
Thunder wrote:But honestly, for that city and franchise, isn't the 2-3 years of health that he'd bring be worth it?

I'd sign anywhere for a player that can give us 3 years as a title contender... And so would any team in the NBA.

I agree we, and most cities, would but I think there are a handful of cities that compete annually that wouldn't do it (I am saying take the deal of competing hard for a title for 3 years and being in the dregs the other 7 years of the decade). I'd put San Antonio, Dallas, Detroit, and the Suns in that mix. Everyone else probably would take the deal wth those conditions.

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David Wood David Wood's Profile Starting Lineup Posts: 575 Joined: Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:52 am Location: Oakland Poster Credit: 0	Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:32 pm That's ridiculous. 30 pounds on the chest and arms? He must look like Joe Swanson from family guy right now, all upper body and no legs. This just shows that he is not done growing and he will be a monster size-wise. That strong upper body will help him sweep the ball down on the block wherever he wants. Just stay heathly
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:22 pm

Thunder wrote:
TMC wrote:
Thunder wrote:But honestly, for that city and franchise, isn't the 2-3 years of health that he'd bring be worth it?

I'd sign anywhere for a player that can give us 3 years as a title contender... And so would any team in the NBA.

I agree we, and most cities, would but I think there are a handful of cities that compete annually that wouldn't do it (I am saying take the deal of competing hard for a title for 3 years and being in the dregs the other 7 years of the decade). I'd put San Antonio, Dallas, Detroit, and the Suns in that mix. Everyone else probably would take the deal wth those conditions.

Agree with you totally. Teams that hardly ever compete for the championship would not do that because they know how to win and stay near the top while other teams would take that opportunity because they may never have it

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TMC TMC's Profile Hall of Famer Posts: 18461 Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:48 am Location: Somewhere in this site... Poster Credit: -4	Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:17 am I'm sure Detroit would do it... They're not contenders anymore, and I doubt they consider themselves as such. Things changed a lot since Larry Brown left. http://WWW.WARRIORSROUNDTABLE.COM
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migya migya's Profile Hall of Famer Posts: 21536 Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:50 am Location: Perth Poster Credit: 28	Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:10 am TMC wrote:I'm sure Detroit would do it... They're not contenders anymore, and I doubt they consider themselves as such. Things changed a lot since Larry Brown left. Like they won more games than ever before the first season after he left migya make the ring fall on ya
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