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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:08 pm
When Nelson was hired to coach this team, we all knew what we were getting. His offense is designed to score in transition, and when there is a half-court set play, it usually involves one-on-one isolation and or two-man pick and roll plays. Neither Dunleavy nor Murphy could play this game. Both Jackson and Harrington can. If we want a more traditional type of half-court offense, then the team should have hired a Larry Brown or even a Del Harris to be the head coach. With Nelson, Mullin hired the one guy who can provide the media and fans a fun and entertaining brand of basketball.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:24 am
uptempo wrote:When Nelson was hired to coach this team, we all knew what we were getting. His offense is designed to score in transition, and when there is a half-court set play, it usually involves one-on-one isolation and or two-man pick and roll plays. Neither Dunleavy nor Murphy could play this game. Both Jackson and Harrington can. If we want a more traditional type of half-court offense, then the team should have hired a Larry Brown or even a Del Harris to be the head coach. With Nelson, Mullin hired the one guy who can provide the media and fans a fun and entertaining brand of basketball.


How about winning basketball?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:26 am
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uptempo wrote:When Nelson was hired to coach this team, we all knew what we were getting. His offense is designed to score in transition, and when there is a half-court set play, it usually involves one-on-one isolation and or two-man pick and roll plays. Neither Dunleavy nor Murphy could play this game. Both Jackson and Harrington can. If we want a more traditional type of half-court offense, then the team should have hired a Larry Brown or even a Del Harris to be the head coach. With Nelson, Mullin hired the one guy who can provide the media and fans a fun and entertaining brand of basketball.


How about winning basketball?


I would like to see a winning basketball team; I have been advocating going this direction; however, the local fans are more enamored by hopefully getting into the 8th playoff spot and and early exit (Nelson's MO).
Without a master plan, competent front office, great coach, and franchise player surrounded by an understudy and a workhorse, we are doomed to always be "the Warriors."

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:26 am
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uptempo wrote:When Nelson was hired to coach this team, we all knew what we were getting. His offense is designed to score in transition, and when there is a half-court set play, it usually involves one-on-one isolation and or two-man pick and roll plays. Neither Dunleavy nor Murphy could play this game. Both Jackson and Harrington can. If we want a more traditional type of half-court offense, then the team should have hired a Larry Brown or even a Del Harris to be the head coach. With Nelson, Mullin hired the one guy who can provide the media and fans a fun and entertaining brand of basketball.


How about winning basketball?


Many people think that running teams are somehow undisciplined and lacking in fundamentals. I think the opposite is true, that it is the same game with the same important fundamentals, but just played at a higher speed. It takes a different skill and mind-set to do this correctly, both on the part of the players and the officials.

I do believe that much of the success of some slow-down teams is due to the refs allowing "physical" teams to foul and at the same time calling every teeny foul on "finesse" teams.

This boils over to the offensive side where players like Shaq have been allowed to knock over defenders, get the easy dunk and a foul besides.

We see it locally as well, where charges and flops rule and serve to slow the game down.

I think that the Ws could walk it up, use every second of the clock and all of the delaying tactics that every unimaginative coach in history has ever thought of and would lose 76-70. Old-school Del, or whoever, would be lauded by some as good disciplinarians who "really teaches the fundamentals". The blame would fall on a couple of bad calls and missed shots instead of the "system".

Showtime or Fratello-time. Hmmm

The secret is to get players that can run, shoot, defend, rebound, pass, block out, handle the ball and have a sense of the game and teamwork. Those are indeed the necessary fundamental basketball skills.

The Ws don't have enough of those guys. It is not the fault of the system, but in management and the selection of players.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:28 am
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ReginaldLewis wrote:
uptempo wrote:When Nelson was hired to coach this team, we all knew what we were getting. His offense is designed to score in transition, and when there is a half-court set play, it usually involves one-on-one isolation and or two-man pick and roll plays. Neither Dunleavy nor Murphy could play this game. Both Jackson and Harrington can. If we want a more traditional type of half-court offense, then the team should have hired a Larry Brown or even a Del Harris to be the head coach. With Nelson, Mullin hired the one guy who can provide the media and fans a fun and entertaining brand of basketball.


How about winning basketball?


Many people think that running teams are somehow undisciplined and lacking in fundamentals. I think the opposite is true, that it is the same game with the same important fundamentals, but just played at a higher speed. It takes a different skill and mind-set to do this correctly, both on the part of the players and the officials.

I do believe that much of the success of some slow-down teams is due to the refs allowing "physical" teams to foul and at the same time calling every teeny foul on "finesse" teams.

This boils over to the offensive side where players like Shaq have been allowed to knock over defenders, get the easy dunk and a foul besides.

We see it locally as well, where charges and flops rule and serve to slow the game down.

I think that the Ws could walk it up, use every second of the clock and all of the delaying tactics that every unimaginative coach in history has ever thought of and would lose 76-70. Old-school Del, or whoever, would be lauded by some as good disciplinarians who "really teaches the fundamentals". The blame would fall on a couple of bad calls and missed shots instead of the "system".

Showtime or Fratello-time. Hmmm

The secret is to get players that can run, shoot, defend, rebound, pass, block out, handle the ball and have a sense of the game and teamwork. Those are indeed the necessary fundamental basketball skills.

The Ws don't have enough of those guys. It is not the fault of the system, but in management and the selection of players.


Great analysis! The IQ of this board seems to be going up every day!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:38 am
what a concept. get players that can do everything well... when you think about it.. what if you had no stars but had 10-12 guys that were pretty good at everything. better than having a few all stars, and limited players right?
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ChronicallyInclined wrote:what a concept. get players that can do everything well... when you think about it.. what if you had no stars but had 10-12 guys that were pretty good at everything. better than having a few all stars, and limited players right?


In theory your right, kinda like the Jazz. But to win an NBA Championship you need a SuperStar. Isaiah, Magic, MJ, Hakeem, Shaq, David Robinson ect.

Only team in last two decades to win without 1 superstar was the Pistons and that because NBA was going through a transition. Old Guard to New Guard of Superstars. MJ/Hakeem/Shaq to LeBron/Kobe/Wade
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:32 am
amazingly enough, with all their injuries and maddeningly inconsistent play, at the break the ws are still only 1 game out! Assuming they continue their winning ways at home, and go 9-4, they will need to go 7-8 on the road to finish 41-41, which is now looking like it will do it. Not too convinced they will win 7 on the road, but who knows, far stranger things happen every day - 2 years ago, no one would have predicted that a guy named Barack Obama had a legit shot at the presidency or that Bush would have a lower approval rating than Nixon ever did, either...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:57 am
coltraning wrote:amazingly enough, with all their injuries and maddeningly inconsistent play, at the break the ws are still only 1 game out! Assuming they continue their winning ways at home, and go 9-4, they will need to go 7-8 on the road to finish 41-41, which is now looking like it will do it.



It really does look like it won't take much more than a 50% record to make the playoffs and if the team is at full strength for the last month of the season, a hard push could well happen
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:14 pm
I still believe the last playoff spot will take 43 wins...

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ChronicallyInclined wrote:what a concept. get players that can do everything well... when you think about it.. what if you had no stars but had 10-12 guys that were pretty good at everything. better than having a few all stars, and limited players right?


All of these talents are things to have, but to get to playoff level, the team has to have a will to win. There have been times this season where when it seems bleak, it turns out bleak. We run out of steam in the 4th quarter or we just tank games against the low tier teams. Its also not having one player thinking he can be the difference maker when he really isn't by being selfish. Thats where a superstar player comes in handy. He can always carry the team if he needs to, but more than not, he makes the other starters better and brings their play up a notch or two.

baron and JRich seem to be capable of this, but they have been injured too many times this year to see what they can do for this team. At least JRich will be back this week and we'll see how the team responds with him playing consistent minutes.
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