TMC wrote:
#32 wrote:I think you guys are seriously missing a lot of what he's done here. Everybody's assuming that the Warriors would be playing this way anyway with any other coach. I think that's wrong.
With ANY other GOOD coach. Yes. Monty wasn't one, so we sucked pretty bad last year.
You act like getting "any good coach" is an easy thing. Not everybody wanted the Golden State job after last season's fiasco. 12 years without the playoffs? No defense? No rebounding? Adonal Foyle starting at center? Giant contracts for Murphy and Dunleavy?
What kind of coach do you think would have been chomping at the bit for a job at Golden State? The only good coach we
could get was Nelson, #1 because he and Mullin have a great relationship and #2 because we slightly overpaid him.
TMC wrote:I don't think Silas would have done anything remarkable. Never really liked him. Instead, add Terry Porter to that list. I'm pretty sure our record would be similar to the one we have. Fratello is available right now and also would have been a good coach.
About the others you mention, Elie would have been a question mark. Probably not better, with the risk of being worse. Larry Brown would have taken two years tinkering with the roster before having a winner.
Also, some assistants are pretty intriguing as future head coaches (not only Elie, also Mark Aguirre in NY, for example). Several of them could have been succesful with us.
See above. Aside from Larry Brown (who would have been fired after one season, because he would have wanted to trade Dunleavy and Murphy... and neither would go anywhere with their contracts), no coach you listed would have wanted the Golden State job. Like you said, Elie MIGHT have been good, but could have been horrible. Same with Aguirre. And Fratello wasn't available until a week ago. Also, I'm not as high on Terry Porter as you are.
TMC wrote:Come on. Barnes also played like this for the Kings. Nellie just has the brain to play him, unlike O'Brien and the other coaches he had (it was Herb Williams when he was in NY?). It can't be a discovery when Rick Adelman did it before (btw, add Adelman to the list of capable coaches available. I wouldn't like him near the W's after his tenure, but he's a good coach).
Adelman never played Barnes the way Nelson does. Adelman gave the guy a minor role. That's nothing. Anthony Roberson has a role. If he blew up elsewhere next season, would Nelson have discovered him?
TMC wrote:That wasn't Nelly-ball. He just tried to get something out of nothing. Didn't work and went with what he always did (and which made him one of the most winningest coaches ever). Barnes is a SF, not PF. It's just that Nellie doesn't have any confidence in Ike and Murphy sucks.
How was that not Nelly-ball?!
Murphy at center? Dunleavy at point guard? Baron Davis at shooting guard? Pietrus at power forward???
That looks as Nelly-ball as you can get, to me.
TMC wrote:Not any coach. ANY GOOD COACH. BIG difference.
Once again, I've said that Nellie is doing a good job, just not outstanding. How can I be bashing him when I'm saying he's done well?. I just don't think he's been spot on on EVERY decision he's made.
And, once again, getting a GOOD COACH is not as easy as you're making it seem.
I don't support every move Nelson's done, either. But not playing Ike Diogu is not enough to start incriminating the guy. Anyone whose watched this season knows that the opposition scores a lot (due to more possessions), and yet everyone's shitting themselves that Memphis scored 144. Big deal. If it wasn't the Grizz, it would have been someone else. No need to throw a huge fit over that.
People around here are calling Nelson names, blaming all these losses on the fact that he's not playing Diogu (:roll: Yes, seriously), and, for some reason, suddenly his drinking has been brought up again (as if that's been a problem, so far). This is all alarmist BS to me. Nothing's blowing up. Nothing's crumbling. No need to panic.
If Nelson doesn't play Diogu eventually, Mullin will have a talk with him. Mullin loves Diogu. Don't worry about Ike leaving. Right now, I'd bet Chris Mullin would take Ike over Nelson.