#32 wrote:Baron Davis did ANYTHING but directly lose us the game against New Jersey. On principle alone, you can't blame a loss on the guy who kept you in the game the entire night. It's contradictory and hypocritical.

TMC wrote:

#32 wrote:Baron Davis did ANYTHING but directly lose us the game against New Jersey. On principle alone, you can't blame a loss on the guy who kept you in the game the entire night. It's contradictory and hypocritical.

It's not. Pest said what happened. Baron kept us in the game til the last quarter and was a big reason we lost it in that period. Where's the contradiction?

ChicagoTom wrote:

aletha33 wrote:we lost b/c we dont have a go to guy other than baron..and every other team knows that...

we lost cuz we ain't got the players...

it ain't BD.

With the way Baron played last night in the fourth quarter, was any other Warrior player even given a chance to step up and make a big shot? I would say NO.

When Baron gets the idea in his head that he is going to single-handedly try to carry this team, he usually fails miserably. He has immense talent not just scoring the ball, but distributing it as well. He would be wise to drive, draw and dish the ball to get others involved and take some of the pressure off himself to score all the points down the stretch.

As for Monta, yes, he turns the ball over some, but I think his ability to get to the basket and make some big shots are the reasons he is in there. Unfortunately as I eluded to in the last paragraph, more times than not, Monta and the rest of the team is standing around watching Baron try to force the issue and try to make something out of the nothing.

Monta has his faults and no one is overlooking that, but as good as Baron Davis is, he is hurting the team with his selfish play in the fourth quarter and Nellie needs to address this issue as soon as possible or we will be in for more fourth quarter meltdowns as we saw last night.

ChicagoTom wrote:

John Patrick wrote:OK, a lot of people misunderstood because I'm NOT talking about this game only. I'm talking about the whole season. Monta makes stupid turnovers. I'm leaving Baron out of this. YES, he had a terrible 4th quarter. But he's our best player (at least for now), and he has Nelson's trust. Also, he's done some great 4th quarter things as well.

Now, back to Monta. His turnover rate (yes, in the fourth quarter too. He doesn't take as many shots as Baron, but he does get touches on the ball) is too high for a crunch time player.

Since he is not going to take the crunch-time shots (at least for now, and I know having Baron take the shots is nerve-racking, but he is taking them, get over it), why leave him in? He still will commit those inexperienced turnovers. I'd rather have someone else, just ANYONE, who will not commit those turnovers. Leave Monta in for the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and early 4th though, let him commit the silly turnovers then. That's the time when he can develop and grow as a basketball player. But as a team aspiring for playoffs and on the borderline, we cannot afford his mistakes that can and will screw up a ball game.

Your point is understood and I disagree with it. Who do you want to see on the floor in his place?

Monta does turn the ball over some, but I do not see a viable option on the bench to take his place. McLeod? Roberson? No thanks.

ChicagoTom wrote:Well, looks like Monta will not be getting in the game in the fourth quarter or any other quarter for that matter the next two games with an ankle injury. I just read on Fanball.com he will be out of action. Let's see how the team does in his absence.

#32 wrote:If ANYBODY this season is playing with heart, determination, and the kind of fire we need, it's Baron. Monta's horribly inconsistent (and a TO machine), Jason and Murph have been off due to injuries, Ike hasn't played at all (basically), and Biedrins isn't fundamental enough to be our 2nd offensive weapon. Baron Davis, like it or not, is carrying this team as far as he can right now. Not Jason Richardson. Not your boy Monta Ellis. Baron Davis.

aletha33 wrote:seriously, how can you guys blame one person for our losses?

TMC wrote:It's not. Pest said what happened. Baron kept us in the game til the last quarter and was a big reason we lost it in that period. Where's the contradiction?

tHe_pEsTiLeNcE wrote:if you watched the game you know that the people to blame for the loss are
1. Baron
2. Baron
3. Baron
4. Baron
5. Dunleavy

They were the ONLY guys who touched the ball during crunch time. Baron chucked up lousy fadeaway after lousy fadeaway and got 8 turnovers. He never passed out of the double and single handedly lost us the game. The only guy he passed to was dungleavy who wasn't able to do **** with it. The fourth quarter baron was basically the only guy who ever touched the ball. Monta touched the ball about five times the whole fourth quarter. if they had given it to him they may have won.

I reiterate, baron's choking is the biggest reason we lost the game

tHe_pEsTiLeNcE wrote:if you watched the game you know that the people to blame for the loss are
1. Baron
2. Baron
3. Baron
4. Baron
5. Dunleavy

They were the ONLY guys who touched the ball during crunch time.

tHe_pEsTiLeNcE wrote:The fourth quarter baron was basically the only guy who ever touched the ball.

I reiterate, baron's choking is the biggest reason we lost the game

tHe_pEsTiLeNcE wrote:It happens over and over again, baron got us in the game, but in the last 15 minutes keith mcleod almost would have been better than him. I'm talking about this game individually so baron's season stats are a moot point.