tHe_pEsTiLeNcE wrote:

migya wrote:This is one of those cases where stats don't tell the story. Garnett and Duncan are about even but Duncan does what he has to to win. Garnett has had decent teams with Wally and Brandon alongside him, Hudson (had a great first season there) with Wally, Billups (also had a great season there) and Wally and has also had solid role players like LaPhonso Ellis. Duncan has had better teams but not a whole lot better. David Robinson was not much of a superstar after Duncan's first season and Duncan had to make do with players like Avery Johnoson and Jaren Jackson, who were solid at best. Parker and Ginobili have risen now but they are still not great stars

Dude, you're putting guys like laphonso ellis and troy hudson at the same level as michael finley and bruce bowen. Look at the roster the spurs had this year.
G - Tony Parker/Nick the Quick
G - Manu Ginobili/Michael Finley
F - Bowen/Barry
F - Duncan/Horry
C - Mohamed/Nesterovic

Now how does that team not win a ring? I'll tell you how, because Dirk outplays TD. KG is dirk's cryptonite, he does similar things to dirk, but better. TD is not close to the leader KG is. Who gets the ball in the clutch? Not TD usually, it's bob, or even Manu. KG would have willed himself to win those clutch games because he has more desire and guts than anybody in this league save maybe AI and Kobe. He just has never had his backup five look like a starting five.

coltraning wrote:

tHe_pEsTiLeNcE wrote:

migya wrote:This is one of those cases where stats don't tell the story. Garnett and Duncan are about even but Duncan does what he has to to win. Garnett has had decent teams with Wally and Brandon alongside him, Hudson (had a great first season there) with Wally, Billups (also had a great season there) and Wally and has also had solid role players like LaPhonso Ellis. Duncan has had better teams but not a whole lot better. David Robinson was not much of a superstar after Duncan's first season and Duncan had to make do with players like Avery Johnoson and Jaren Jackson, who were solid at best. Parker and Ginobili have risen now but they are still not great stars

Dude, you're putting guys like laphonso ellis and troy hudson at the same level as michael finley and bruce bowen. Look at the roster the spurs had this year.
G - Tony Parker/Nick the Quick
G - Manu Ginobili/Michael Finley
F - Bowen/Barry
F - Duncan/Horry
C - Mohamed/Nesterovic

Now how does that team not win a ring? I'll tell you how, because Dirk outplays TD. KG is dirk's cryptonite, he does similar things to dirk, but better. TD is not close to the leader KG is. Who gets the ball in the clutch? Not TD usually, it's bob, or even Manu. KG would have willed himself to win those clutch games because he has more desire and guts than anybody in this league save maybe AI and Kobe. He just has never had his backup five look like a starting five.

don't know, dude - as far as end of game, there are about 11 players (at least) more clutch than KG at the end of a game as far as I can see...
Kobe, D Wade, Lebron, Nash, Iverson, Arenas, Ray Ray, Carmelo, regular season Dirk and.....TD

tHe_pEsTiLeNcE wrote:

migya wrote:This is one of those cases where stats don't tell the story. Garnett and Duncan are about even but Duncan does what he has to to win. Garnett has had decent teams with Wally and Brandon alongside him, Hudson (had a great first season there) with Wally, Billups (also had a great season there) and Wally and has also had solid role players like LaPhonso Ellis. Duncan has had better teams but not a whole lot better. David Robinson was not much of a superstar after Duncan's first season and Duncan had to make do with players like Avery Johnoson and Jaren Jackson, who were solid at best. Parker and Ginobili have risen now but they are still not great stars

Dude, you're putting guys like laphonso ellis and troy hudson at the same level as michael finley and bruce bowen. Look at the roster the spurs had this year.
G - Tony Parker/Nick the Quick
G - Manu Ginobili/Michael Finley
F - Bowen/Barry
F - Duncan/Horry
C - Mohamed/Nesterovic

Now how does that team not win a ring? I'll tell you how, because Dirk outplays TD. KG is dirk's cryptonite, he does similar things to dirk, but better. TD is not close to the leader KG is. Who gets the ball in the clutch? Not TD usually, it's bob, or even Manu. KG would have willed himself to win those clutch games because he has more desire and guts than anybody in this league save maybe AI and Kobe. He just has never had his backup five look like a starting five.

migya wrote:Another thing - Kobe has no guts, if anything he is a *****!

tHe_pEsTiLeNcE wrote:

TMC wrote:The stats are too close

the stats aren't close at all. KG has the edge in points, boards, assists, steals, blocks, FG%, FT%, 3p%, Turnovers, and Fouls. It's basically a wilt vs. russell argument. Do you want the guy who won rings (with an MVP and a couple of other allstars on his team) or the guy who played with a bunch of YMCA players but dominated the league thoroughly. If I'm starting a team, I'll pick KG every time because he can get you about 40 wins on his own. If duncan had sczerbiak as his best teammate how do you think he'd do?

coltraning wrote:

migya wrote:Another thing - Kobe has no guts, if anything he is a *****!

now come on now, ***** is a wonderful thing seriously, dude, Kobe is a true warrior in the clutch, when the game is on the line, and this is coming from me, who loathes the me first basketball he practiced this year

TMC wrote:

coltraning wrote:

migya wrote:Another thing - Kobe has no guts, if anything he is a *****!

now come on now, ***** is a wonderful thing seriously, dude, Kobe is a true warrior in the clutch, when the game is on the line, and this is coming from me, who loathes the me first basketball he practiced this year

That's one of the few things I wouldn't call Kobe. If anything, he has the guts to take over a game and play one against five (as dumb as it sounds).

breezer_79 wrote:Nothing funnier than the whole team screaming at a dude to pass it.....cause you know once he gets it in his hands he's taking it to the rack with his half assed moves.

breezer_79 wrote:Oh, I wasn't specifically talking about Kobe....I was actually just getting nostalgic about my u/18 local comp. There was one guy that just used to take it to the rack no matter what, he was out of control, literally and figuratively. At first we used to scream at him to pass, but in the end we used to just clap him in. Funny Stuff.

Cheers guys.

TMC wrote:

breezer_79 wrote:Nothing funnier than the whole team screaming at a dude to pass it.....cause you know once he gets it in his hands he's taking it to the rack with his half assed moves.

Still gotta admire his guts. That 81 point game against Toronto was just unbelievable...

Not that it matters, tho. That kind of bball may go to the playoffs, but not much further.