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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 7:28 am
John Patrick wrote:Are you kidding? Indiana would get a young, hardworking with potential center. A decent power forward who is a good rebounder. A defensive stopper to replace Artest, and a great PG to complement Peja. And a draft pick. What's not to like?



I'd actually not do it from a Warriors view (though Jermaine is great) but the Pacers might say that they get no real star in return
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 11:35 am
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John Patrick wrote:How about throwing in Biedrins and a first round draft pick? That would more than even out the trade.



That seems good enough and Mullin would go for ir as Jermaine is a PF/C that is only 28 years old and has another 8 years left at the current level. The Pacers probably still wouldn't do this trade

His age means nothing; his seasons are what you need to judge his mileage by. If age were a factor, Shawn Kemp would still be around. Jermaine O'Neal may only be 28... but he's been pounding these roads for 10 years now. To think he'll play another 8 (as in an 18-year career) doesn't sound realistic to me. Most inside bangers retire between the 14-16 season.
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#32 wrote:His age means nothing; his seasons are what you need to judge his mileage by. If age were a factor, Shawn Kemp would still be around. Jermaine O'Neal may only be 28... but he's been pounding these roads for 10 years now. To think he'll play another 8 (as in an 18-year career) doesn't sound realistic to me. Most inside bangers retire between the 14-16 season.


That's true, but he didn't play much his first 4 seasons with Portland.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 2:25 pm
Yes, but his injuries more than make up for that. Jermaine has yet to play a full season for ANY team. Even if he was underused on the Blazers, his body has proven that it's softer than most NBA big's, in the sense that it can never take the full pounding of an NBA season. He hasn't been blessed with a very durable body (like Robert Parrish and Kareem were). Even somebody like Hakeem (who had a relatively healthy career) couldn't force his body to play up to his standard number of games after his 13th season... and the degenerative process was obvious when he was on the court.

Jermaine's legs will catch up to him in the next 4 years.
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#32 wrote:Jermaine's legs will catch up to him in the next 4 years.


We'll see. I think he has around 6 very productive years, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happens sooner than that.
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migya wrote:That seems good enough and Mullin would go for ir as Jermaine is a PF/C that is only 28 years old and has another 8 years left at the current level. The Pacers probably still wouldn't do this trade


His age means nothing; his seasons are what you need to judge his mileage by. If age were a factor, Shawn Kemp would still be around. Jermaine O'Neal may only be 28... but he's been pounding these roads for 10 years now. To think he'll play another 8 (as in an 18-year career) doesn't sound realistic to me. Most inside bangers retire between the 14-16 season.



Seemed to be alright with Moses Malone (started playing ABA when he was 17).

Most players used to play 3 or 4 years in college before they went to the nba but they were only 21 or 22 years old and they played until 38 - 40 years of age. Since Jermaine started 4 years earlier (if that even means anything), he should be playing at least until he is 35 - 36. That gives 7 or 8 seasons which is a long time.

Kobe Bryant started playing at the same age but logged far more minutes. Does that mean he will be useless by the age of 35???? :wink:
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When Kobe is 35, he'll be in his 16th or 17th year. Useless is not the word. Remember Michael on the Wizards (compared to Michael on the Bulls)? That's what will happen. Less minutes, a ppg average of 19 instead of 30, and no explosiveness, quickness, or breakaway speed.
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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 9:04 pm
Jordan was a 40 year old and he had not played for 3 years!!!!

Kobe and Jermaine will still be going strong at the level they are at when they are 35!
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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 9:36 pm
This only proves my point.

Jordan started his career later than Bryant & O'Neal because he played college ball (so his body wasn't nearly as banged up at that time). And his 3 years off actually worked FOR him, rather than against him. It gave his body a chance to heal and recover. From the beginning to the end of Jordan's career, he took 4 seasons off (so, really, Jordan only played 14 seasons (rather than the 18 years one might think).

It works the opposite for Kobe. By the time Kobe's 35, he'll be in his 16th season. That means his body will be more banged up from NBA games at 35 than Jordan's was at 40. True, Bryant will be a step or two more durable because he'll be five years younger... but an extra season of NBA ball is no cake walk. It all evens out in the end.
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