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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:15 pm
I think a 20/20 season for a guy making $9 million per is a bit of a stretch. Biedrins is overpaid because he's worthless, but in terms of centers I don't even think he's among the top 10 in salaries. If he was capable of bringing 8 points, 6 rebounds, and a block or two off the bench, he'd at least carve out a servicable role as a backup. Don't forget; Kwame Brown got $7 million from us last year and that dude is a bonafide career scrub.

I'm not defending Biedrins, mind you. He's a waste of resources, minutes, and carbon, but his contract is far from the anvil-shoes that guys like Hedo Turkoglu, Rashard Lewis, and (more recently) Omer Asik have gotten in recent years.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:47 pm
I gave up on beans many years ago, not as a person but a basketball player. All i expect from him is a nice gelled hair style, basketball bench ettiquette and some high fives, thats it.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:36 pm
Well I look at the bright side. The bright side is that he is our back up. Before we counted on him to start. Now we have bogut and ezili. So we're much better off than we have been in years or ever. Plus we have Landry and Tyler.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:02 pm
That's one way to see it.

Another way is to say our 3rd highest paid player is a bench scrub.

Yet another way to see it would be our potential all-star, starting, double-double machine center completely regressed without injury, off-court drama, or even a feud with a teammate.

I admire your positive approach, but I - along with quite a few other Warriors fans - have tired of Biedrins and his lifeless efforts.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:08 am
32 wrote:That's one way to see it.

I admire your positive approach, but I - along with quite a few other Warriors fans - have tired of Biedrins and his lifeless efforts.




Biedrins was one of my favorite players. He used to hustle or appear to be hustling and getting better. I thought that sky was the limit and that he would culminate into an unorthodox yet successful and memorable player.

So once he started declining, I used to have hope that it was just a bad time period for him. And then it dragged on and injury occurred and this and that started happening. Then I started to wonder if all his injuries were actually legit.

Each year he had the same occurring speech on how he worked hard and cleared his mind in the offseason. Last year he actually sold me on it. Then all the offseason stuff happened with the tax invasion and released photos.

This year comes and he repeated the same exact optimistic cliche talk coming into training camp, except he seemed less sure, or not sure at all. It's almost like he's forced to say something positive. But like every year, I just have to keep hoping that there is still some remnant of his old self left, ready to return to life and surprise us. After all he's still not old.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:47 pm
SI.com's Chris Ballard profiles Andris Biedrins' struggles to regain confidence


By Nate Parham on Oct 12, 11:57a

Kyle Terada-US PRESSWIRE - Presswire
ntering last season, Golden State Warriors coach Mark Jackson sounded optimistic about center Andris Biedrins returning to peak form. Now Jackson, who has never been known to be lacking for confidence, is starting to sound increasingly dismissive of his center's struggles.

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Chris Ballard of SI.com has a feature on Golden State Warriors center Andris Biedrins today in which he takes a look at the once-promising center's decline over the last few years.

There are a number of interesting tidbits in the article, including a rundown of everything people have tried to do to help him escape his struggles, his relationship with former Warriors coach Don Nelson, workouts out with Utah Jazz center Al Jefferson in Santa Barbara, coach Mark Jackson's take on his struggles and the piece opens with a vignette about Biedrins' lone made free throw last season.




Jefferson's comments are interesting about Biedrins needing to translate what he does in workouts into game performance, but Jackson's comments are probably more significant from the standpoint of him being the man currently coaching Biedrins.

"That's on him," Jackson said when I asked how the coach could help Biedrins regain his confidence. "At the end of the day, you got to find a way to get it done."

This is a mantra of sports: Protect your ego at all costs...When I asked Jackson if he ever lost his confidence as a player, either during his years at St. John's or his 17 seasons in the NBA, he cut me off mid-question. "No. Never," he said loudly, chin raised and back straight, eyes fixed somewhere beyond me. "I'm from New York City. I understand it but at the end of the day, I'm a God-fearing man. As the Bible says, 'Cast not away your confidence.' "

Jackson's first quote there from Ballard's interview essentially echoes - or maybe just reinforces - what Jackson said during Wednesday's post-practice interview when asked about Biedrins missing practice due to right groin tenderness.

"He's getting treatment and we'll see how that plays out," said Jackson. "But we don't have time to stop for anybody - we're going to keep it moving."

You may recall that entering training camp last year Jackson said he was, "...excited about the opportunity to coach" Biedrins. Yet thus far this season, his words could be characterized as dismissive, at best, and Ballard described him as "upset" about Biedrins missing voluntary workouts in September.

Ballard and/or Jefferson are probably right that a lot of what's plaguing Biedrins is mental - as the seven-foot center says it in the article, "my goal is to feel good about myself". But if there's a growing disconnect between player and coach - and Jackson just keeps it moving with rookie Festus Ezeli as his backup, bumping Biedrins to third (or fourth?) on the depth chart at center - it seems unlikely that this will be an environment conducive to him reclaiming his confidence.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:30 am
Biedrins is a lost man right now and at least he has his millions.

Trade him as soon as possible.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:32 am
Stairway thanks for posting, was just about to post that article and you beat me to it. Great stuff.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:57 pm
Just counting down the days until his awful contract is off the books and we can redistribute some of those monies Obama style...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:51 am
Great article Stairway. Thanks for posting.

This man is done with basketball and I'm seriously sick of hearing anything about him. Most people would give anything to play in the NBA and this guy is just taking up a roster spot from someone who's going to get cut that is more deserving and gives 100% to the game.

Have any of you ever seen Biedrins sweat? His face stays dry every time he plays. Well, to me that means you're not trying hard enough. Just play basketball! I hope he sits on the far end of the bench all season long. I don't care how much he's making. He doesn't deserve to take one minute away from Ezeli or Tyler. He should not even be on the active roster once the season starts.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:47 pm
Josh Jamison wrote:Great article Stairway. Thanks for posting.

This man is done with basketball and I'm seriously sick of hearing anything about him. Most people would give anything to play in the NBA and this guy is just taking up a roster spot from someone who's going to get cut that is more deserving and gives 100% to the game.

Have any of you ever seen Biedrins sweat? His face stays dry every time he plays. Well, to me that means you're not trying hard enough. Just play basketball! I hope he sits on the far end of the bench all season long. I don't care how much he's making. He doesn't deserve to take one minute away from Ezeli or Tyler. He should not even be on the active roster once the season starts.



He is always hurt. He was hurt at open practice and they had him ride the bike the whole time. Either Biedrins lost his confidence or he just doesn't give a dam since he makes so much money.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:05 pm
I'd err on the side of "doesn't give a sh*t"...

How can it be coincidence that a guy becomes so useless after getting paid?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:34 pm
- no pressure (2nd or 3rd string)
- no monta ellis
- a team with a direction
- a team with talent
- a team with enough tough-minded vets

I think this will allow Beans to go from really sucky to less sucky. I realize this is completely irrational and he deserves no benefit of the doubt.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:56 pm
You're right he has no pressure. However how come last year I read birderins was upset when they got bogut?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:01 pm
Where'd you read that? (I'm gonna go out on a real limb and guess it was a Kawakami blog trying to stir the pot)

And rocky, while I understand the rationale of thinking that Ellis is a shot hog and therefore his subtraction will net a positive impact on everyone remaining in Golden State, let's not forget that Biedrins had the most chemistry (by far) with Monta Ellis and - in his case - the trade may be more of a bad thing than a good thing... Especially considering it has confirmed his role change from a starter to a backup (possibly even 3rd string).
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