GSW Hoops Fan wrote:Bottom line. Ellis DID ... repeat DID help us win games. Yes, he is not good enough to carry us to playoffs like Durant did. But Durants team sucked ass for the first 3 seasons. It wasn't until they committed to defense did they make the playoffs. We had way better records then them 3 years in a row.
Same can happen to us if we get a better commitment to defense.
We had double their win total, and the only position where we were clearly better was at SG....
If you follow this logic, then you can saw Ellis helped us win roughly 18 games.
No player no matter how good they are can carry a team if the team doesn't play defense.
When Thunder didn't make it to playoffs first couple of years, did they say, hey lets trade durant?
Following that logic then should the wolves trade Love if they don't make it to the playoffs in 2 years?
I don't think so.
Again, Ellis very much did help us win games. Compare us to the Timberwolves, without Monta we would have been on par with them or worse.
-- Warriors ----- Wolves --- Notes
PG Curry ....> .. Luke ....... Curry has more potential, Luke has more experience. Neither good defender. Curry is wayyy better. Luke is hardly even an offensive threat.
SG Ellis ......> .. Johnson .. Ellis way better. Johnson is bigger.
SF Wright ..< .. Beasly ..... Beasly is better all around. Wright probably a better shooter.
PF Lee .......< .. Love ....... Lee was good, but Love was a beast this past season Love is better, but the difference in production is not hugeC. Beans ....= .. Darko ..... Both sucked hard. Darko had his moments, Beans his, but both inconsistent
Bench ........= .. Bench ..... Williams and Udoh was our key guy, They have Webster and Randolph
these > and <'s don't say a whole lot because you're not measuring the difference, just who "wins" the matchup. the difference between Ellis and Johnson is huge. the difference between Curry and Ridnour is huge. put our backcourt on the Twolves and they're a much better team. and even though Love wins the matchup, it's not a huge difference. Warriors talent all added up > Twolves.
might have to check NBA2k11 for the ratings haha.
not a whole lot of ppl are saying trade Monta for Johnson or some other unproven player. only for someone around his level. the question is -- is Curry / Iggy > Curry / Ellis as far as wins. I think so.
as far as the Mark Jackson hiring, I kinda had mixed reactions at first. of course it's gonna be a wait and see kinda thing. but W's coulda done worse. no exp. is a concern but at least they have a very strong assistant coach as a fall back guy. I don't think that will be needed though, we'll see. thing I like about M-Jax is he seems to have connections around the league, might land us some FA's. and he seems like a leader and strong presence the W's could use. he also was that type of player similar to a Jason Kidd, John Stockton, Larry Bird...not terribly athletic, but their level of basketball IQ and understanding all facets of the game = off the charts. guys like that really are like coaches on the floor. can't wait for offseason & draft to start, see what happens.