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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:51 am
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warriorsman88 wrote:I don't get it. Warriors is not even saving money on this, they have to pay the full $5.2 mil to Speedy.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3419/news

Won't it be cheaper for Warriors to pay George or Hunter in full ($1+ mil) and let him go?

I think Larry had side deal with Speedy. Most likely Speedy give him $2 mil to do this...


Warriors need game and practice bodies. George is healthy. Hunter is a rare big guy.


You are kidding, right? They are not even playing.


Seems like the Warriors are getting all the practice they need during the actual game.


Jesus.............. :roll:

We arent saving money by waiving Speedy and eating his contract for the rest of the year!!!

We are saving money because they wont use that contract in a trade before the deadline.............ie: we pay it for the rest of the season, then it comes off the books, instead of using it to trade for a player whos contract would run through this off-season.

Read the thread.............or understand............something about contracts and how GM's save money.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:25 pm
article from realGM that seems spot on to me

Tying Your Hands
Authored by Daniel Leroux - February 8, 2010 - 1:46 pm

Every once in a while, a seemingly minor decision strikes a strong chord in me. Golden State's decision to sign Anthony Tolliver for the rest of the year while cutting Speedy Claxton was one of those.

Now, I want to make it clear off the top that this is in no way meant as a slight against Mr. Tolliver. His hustle and rebounding has been a welcome change of pace for this Warriors team, especially at the forward slots. Furthermore, I can tell you from personal experience that he is a good guy who is team first and has exactly the right mentality for his current role in the NBA.

My beef is with the Warriors brass. While Marcus Thompson did an excellent job running down some of the major flaws here, one of them was so egregious that I had to write a dedicated post on it: The timing. It is one thing to waive a guy who has not contributed at some random point in the season. Depending on the circumstances, that can be a logical and fully defensible move. What is impossible to back up is letting one of the significant trade pieces the Warriors have go for absolutely nothing.

There are just a few remaining days until the trade deadline passes and the Warriors only have five games in that span thanks to the All-Star break. As such, the worst case scenario should they have wanted to keep Tolliver for the rest of the year was to simply wait for ten days (signing another player for the interim) and bring him back then.

We’ll come back to this point later, but any trade the Warriors made before the deadline would necessarily either open up one or more roster spots or keep the team solid with a few waiver choices at that juncture.

What makes the decision even more egregious is that it would have been insanely easy to make a deal that retained the immediate flexibility but still guaranteed Tolliver a spot on the roster for the rest of the season. Unlike Chris Hunter where management expressed a seemingly legitimate fear that he would get snatched up by a team like the Blazers desperate for a minutes-eating big, it would have been somewhat easy to make sure Tolliver stayed on the market. The Warriors cutting a deal with Tolliver that he spends the next 12 days at home with the team signing him either on the 18th or when they opened up a spot (whichever came first) is something he absolutely would have taken- a contract for the rest of the year is worth foregoing a possible 10-day with another squad. Plus, an understanding like that would not be considered tampering and even if it was, I sincerely doubt the NBA would be mad about a D-Leaguer getting a contract like that. Plus, the Warriors could easily sign another D-Leaguer with the 10-day injury exemption to fill the gap. This is even worse since the margin between Tolliver and another 10-day guy is not that big (if any), and it’s not like an extra loss would cost this team a berth in the playoffs…

While Robert Rowell may argue that Claxton did not have a market and thus the decision to waive him was of no consequence, the fact of the matter is that there absolutely was an interest in him in the context of the Warriors’ combined expiring contracts and luxury tax teams. By my count, there are still three teams within $5 million of the luxury tax line even after the Jazz and Hornets gave up talent to get under in the form of the Heat, Rockets, and Suns (with numerous more significantly over the tax line at present). The beauty of the NBA’s 125% rule on trades is that it is possible to create trades where both teams benefit financially. Additionally, every team over the current tax line could benefit double for any trade that reduced their overall salary figure, effectively creating a gap in the market that the teams could split, thus profiting both organizations’ respective bottom lines if the saving team sends money and/or picks to Golden State.

Quentin Richardson (Miami- $9.3m), Larry Hughes (NY- $13.3m), Darko (NY- $7.5m), and Mike James (Wizards- $6.4m) are all expiring contracts who could be moved in a 125% deal with beneficial financial outcomes for both teams. That does not even include potential talent upgrades the Warriors could have gotten by taking on a long-term contract such as a deal involving Andre Iguodala at the cost of one year of Samuel Dalembert.

Furthermore, since the Warriors’ expirings are spread between a few guys, it is likely any solution would have ended up opening up roster space for Tolliver. Management can argue that they do not have a deal like that on the table right now, but who knows what possibilities could unlock in the next two weeks after the floodgates open and teams have a better sense of whether they are buyers or sellers for this season.

Sure, any of those moves would have required some effort and creativity, but those are what differentiate bad GM’s from good ones and thus the talent on the court. Sam Presti and the Zombie Sonics have used their cap space like a bludgeon over the years, procuring Eric Maynor, Serge Ibaka, and Phoenix’s #1 this draft without giving up any talent whatsoever. Those moves have helped give them the depth to spend the resources they still have on fewer, better talents that will keep them a strong team for years to come. Portland did a little of this while building their roster and squandered an opportunity with Raef LaFrentz’s expiring deal last season.

In the end, the margin between the playoffs and the outside looking in will become pretty rough and tight in the Western Conference going forward as teams like Memphis, Oklahoma City, Minnesota, and possibly the Clippers continue to improve with still-developing talent. What sticks in my craw is that these excellent fans with a surreal devotion deserve better than management that needlessly and willingly ties their own hands behind their back at a time that could help the team.
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This is probably the last thing I write about this management. As before, none of us should be surprised and should ignore this franchise almost totally if not totally
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migya wrote:This is probably the last thing I write about this management. As before, none of us should be surprised and should ignore this franchise almost totally if not totally


its so hard though hey. I hate the FO, yet every day, I come here or I check the scores (if i cant watch)


Warriors are the Meth of the NBA
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migya wrote:This is probably the last thing I write about this management. As before, none of us should be surprised and should ignore this franchise almost totally if not totally


its so hard though hey. I hate the FO, yet every day, I come here or I check the scores (if i cant watch)


Warriors are the Meth of the NBA



I check the scores, but I come on here to talk with the people on here, that's it.

Fantasy nba is keeping me occupied and that's it
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migya wrote:This is probably the last thing I write about this management. As before, none of us should be surprised and should ignore this franchise almost totally if not totally


its so hard though hey. I hate the FO, yet every day, I come here or I check the scores (if i cant watch)


Warriors are the Meth of the NBA


And to watch Curry. I'm actually oblivious (by choice) to anything else this franchise does, particularly now that Randolph is out.
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migya wrote:This is probably the last thing I write about this management. As before, none of us should be surprised and should ignore this franchise almost totally if not totally


its so hard though hey. I hate the FO, yet every day, I come here or I check the scores (if i cant watch)


Warriors are the Meth of the NBA


And to watch Curry. I'm actually oblivious (by choice) to anything else this franchise does, particularly now that Randolph is out.


Yer Im with you on that mate. Steph's year has probably, actually no definitely, been the highlight for me
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migya wrote:This is probably the last thing I write about this management. As before, none of us should be surprised and should ignore this franchise almost totally if not totally


its so hard though hey. I hate the FO, yet every day, I come here or I check the scores (if i cant watch)


Warriors are the Meth of the NBA


And to watch Curry. I'm actually oblivious (by choice) to anything else this franchise does, particularly now that Randolph is out.


Yer Im with you on that mate. Steph's year has probably, actually no definitely, been the highlight for me


And Monta. I am proud of him busting his ass every night in a losing cause.

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TMC wrote:
Quazza wrote:
migya wrote:This is probably the last thing I write about this management. As before, none of us should be surprised and should ignore this franchise almost totally if not totally


its so hard though hey. I hate the FO, yet every day, I come here or I check the scores (if i cant watch)


Warriors are the Meth of the NBA


And to watch Curry. I'm actually oblivious (by choice) to anything else this franchise does, particularly now that Randolph is out.


Yer Im with you on that mate. Steph's year has probably, actually no definitely, been the highlight for me


And Monta. I am proud of him busting his ass every night in a losing cause.


As am I. I almost wish they'd trade him to the Cavs or the Magic so I could see him compete in games that actually mean something. I mean, could he score 40 against the Lakers in a championship series? I'd love to see that.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:35 pm
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Quazza wrote:
TMC wrote:
Quazza wrote:
migya wrote:This is probably the last thing I write about this management. As before, none of us should be surprised and should ignore this franchise almost totally if not totally


its so hard though hey. I hate the FO, yet every day, I come here or I check the scores (if i cant watch)


Warriors are the Meth of the NBA


And to watch Curry. I'm actually oblivious (by choice) to anything else this franchise does, particularly now that Randolph is out.


Yer Im with you on that mate. Steph's year has probably, actually no definitely, been the highlight for me


And Monta. I am proud of him busting his ass every night in a losing cause.


no arguments there
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The Coooach wrote:
Quazza wrote:
TMC wrote:
Quazza wrote:
migya wrote:This is probably the last thing I write about this management. As before, none of us should be surprised and should ignore this franchise almost totally if not totally


its so hard though hey. I hate the FO, yet every day, I come here or I check the scores (if i cant watch)


Warriors are the Meth of the NBA


And to watch Curry. I'm actually oblivious (by choice) to anything else this franchise does, particularly now that Randolph is out.


Yer Im with you on that mate. Steph's year has probably, actually no definitely, been the highlight for me


And Monta. I am proud of him busting his ass every night in a losing cause.


As am I. I almost wish they'd trade him to the Cavs or the Magic so I could see him compete in games that actually mean something. I mean, could he score 40 against the Lakers in a championship series? I'd love to see that.



Can't see who to receive back from either of those two teams, but if there was, I'd do it and I think he wouldn't be as good as he is here either. I'd trade Monta for another star, one that has proven he is a big part of his team winning. To me it's as simple as that, to make a winner, the best thing is to build it with what has won before and none of the players currently on the team have won at the nba level
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:32 pm
Word around town says Nellie hopes Tolliver turns into the next Webber, so its a just move, Warriors are going place, go Nellie.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:13 am
bigstrads wrote:We are saving money because they wont use that contract in a trade before the deadline.............ie: we pay it for the rest of the season, then it comes off the books, instead of using it to trade for a player whos contract would run through this off-season.


aren't we already under cap? even trade for zaur pachulia is still under cap, no?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:20 am
warriorsman88 wrote:aren't we already under cap? even trade for zaur pachulia is still under cap, no?


:?: :?: :?: :?:

Not sure what you are asking, but no, we are not under the cap. we are significantly over the cap.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:46 am
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warriorsman88 wrote:aren't we already under cap? even trade for zaur pachulia is still under cap, no?


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Not sure what you are asking, but no, we are not under the cap. we are significantly over the cap.


Ohh wow.............. :shock:

As Bada said, we are over the cap.............and also, we are talking here about players being paid salaries, ie: MONEY, over periods of time............ok?

If you have a player earning 5.2 mil for the next 6 months............then it is saving money if you dont trade him for a player earning the same money for more than 6 months............get it?
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