Keeping an Eye on Nellie

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» Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:37 am
Dedicated to our great coach and the brilliant words that come out of his mouth. Any Nellie quotes, we know he is man of his word, lets save his qoutes and see if they turn into anything. ... he-future/

Nellie on Curry, then on Monta.

Nellie: “He’s a heck of a player. We drafted him because we think he’s going to be a great point guard. Maybe not his first year. It takes a while for point guards to mature and feel comfortable. I always saw Steve Nash in him, and he is the greatest player I’ve ever coached,” Nelson said. “I’ve been looking for another one for a long time and this is as close as I’ve ever seen in a young player. He has that same ability that Steve had. Shooting, passing, knowledge, just the natural things he’s done that he’s worked on his whole life.”

Check out his response when asked if Monta and Curry can co-exist.

Nellie: “That’ll be fine. Monta still has to work on his point guard skills as well and his passing skills. That was part of his program to get better at. This guy already has that. Monta has some work to do in that area but they’ll be fine together.”
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» Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:15 am
already posted this in the Amare? thread

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» Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:22 am
first off wrote:already posted this in the Amare? thread

Yeah i know, I just thought it would be great to document quotes thought the season. Looks like Nellie already started. This is a thread dedicated to Quotes from NELLIE, and Only NELLIE. HE is a man of his word we shall see if he holds up to what he says.
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» Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:22 am
warriorsstepup wrote:
first off wrote:already posted this in the Amare? thread

Yeah i know, I just thought it would be great to document quotes thought the season. Looks like Nellie already started. This is a thread dedicated to Quotes from NELLIE, and Only NELLIE. HE is a man of his word we shall see if he holds up to what he says.

Good idea actually.

Simply because he IS NOT a man of his word and constantly back-tracks and realises mistakes hes made with certain things (with other stuff he just ignores how sh*t he is and how badly he has judged the situation)

Anyway, great way to truelly document and highlight his hypocrisy.

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» Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:24 pm;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

DALLAS (AP)—The feud between Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban and former coach Don Nelson stretches back nearly seven years and has some $7 million at stake. But just how ugly and dysfunctional their relationship has been is only now being revealed.

Previously secret testimony and e-mail, now in the public record as part of legal proceedings initiated in the last 10 months, paint the picture of a spat that has turned two of the NBA’s best-known figures into bitter adversaries.

There’s deposition testimony from Cuban in which he acknowledges that he withheld consulting fees from Nelson in 2006 because he believed the former coach had “badmouthed” the team during the NBA finals and should be made to “beg” for the money. There’s also testimony from Nelson in which he describes being so disgusted with Cuban that he signed a contract to stay on as coach in 2003 only after friends “got me drunk.”

“I think everybody would like to see this settled amicably, but you know how it is in a lawsuit,” said former Mavericks assistant Del Harris, who frequently acted as an intermediary between Cuban and Nelson when he worked for the team.

The proceedings stem from a contract dispute over whether Nelson, now the coach of the Golden State Warriors, should be paid millions in salary he deferred while coaching the Mavericks from 1997 to 2005.

Nelson contends that he legitimately earned the money. But Cuban believes Nelson should get nothing because he breached a contract that made him a Mavericks consultant when he took the Golden State job in August 2006. Although an arbitrator ruled in Nelson’s favor, Cuban has refused to pay the money, now totaling more than $7 million.

Neither Cuban nor Nelson would comment when contacted by The Associated Press for this story.

The matter is one of several legal actions currently involving Cuban, the billionaire who has become famous for his outspoken ways, courtside antics and outbursts against NBA officials.

A federal judge last week dismissed an insider trading suit brought against Cuban by the Securities and Exchange Commission, though the agency can still amend its complaint. Another lawsuit filed last week by a company controlled by former Mavericks owner Ross Perot Jr. accuses Cuban of wrongfully diverting millions in profits derived from the Mavericks’ home arena, the American Airlines Center, to cover cash shortfalls incurred by the team.

Cuban’s refusal to abide by the arbitrator’s decision led Nelson to file suit in state court last September.

Nelson has also filed a defamation suit against Cuban in California over comments the owner made on a Bay Area radio show in 2007. He claims that Cuban, who was on the show to promote his appearance on “Dancing with the Stars,” defamed him when he said the coach’s demand for money was an attempt “to rip me off.”

In support of his claim, Nelson has included in his court filings an off-the-record e-mail exchange between Cuban and a reporter in which Cuban refers to Nelson as “sleazy” and having “no concept of reality or ethics.”

Perhaps the most revealing document in the public record is the transcript of the arbitration hearing, which took place in June 2008.

During the hearing, Cuban and Nelson gave their versions of how their relationship unraveled, beginning with their disagreement over whether star forward Dirk Nowitzki(notes) should play against the San Antonio Spurs in the sixth game of the 2003 Western Conference finals.

Nelson withheld Nowitzki, who had suffered a knee injury earlier in the series, despite Cuban’s entreaties to play him. The Mavericks lost the game and the series.

Cuban testified that he had assurances from team doctors that Nowitzki couldn’t hurt the knee any worse and believed Nelson was trying to take pressure off himself by keeping the player on the bench. But Nelson testified that he had a similar injury when he was a player and worried that playing Nowitzki could have a long-term effect.

“I didn’t want to jeopardize this great young player’s career for a basketball game, no matter how important it seemed at the time,” Nelson testified.

From that point on, Nelson testified, he was phased out of personnel decisions. At the 2004 draft, he thought he was in charge of the Mavericks’ selections until he spoke with his son, Donnie, the team’s president of basketball operations, during a men’s room conversation that night.

Cuban, in his testimony, denied keeping Nelson out of the loop, saying personnel matters were group decisions.

The hearing testimony also brought out how Cuban and Nelson remained at odds even after Nelson turned over the coaching job to Avery Johnson late in the 2004-2005 season.

Cuban testified that he learned from Johnson that Nelson had been “badmouthing” him while standing in a tunnel leading to the court during home games. Cuban testified that he then invented a “cockamamie” story during the 2006 NBA finals that NBA safety regulations prevented anyone from standing in arena tunnels during those games.

Nelson denied saying anything negative about Johnson and said Cuban wanted him moved out of the tunnel “because I was getting my face on television instead of Mark.”

Nelson also described how he hoped to serve as a mentor behind the scenes in the mold of Red Auerbach, his former coach with the Boston Celtics, yet wasn’t given the chance by Cuban.

“I actually thought when we split we would become friends again,” he said. “That’s how naive I was.”

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» Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:04 pm
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What an intresting character we have as our coach.

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» Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:51 am
More Nellie. Transcripts from the Nellie/Cuban arbitration. Long reading ... ranscript/

A snippet from the transcript I found interesting, Cuban talking about Nellie playing the under-dog role too much ? sound too familiar. And going into the season with urgency.

Cuban on the breakdown of his relationship with Nelson:

“I felt — what led to the scenario with Dirk was I felt that he had overplayed the underdog perspective, that it was impacting the morale of the team, … that it was fixable, that it … was just something that happens over a course of time. I didn’t think it was irreversible or unfixable. I felt that we did not have a sense of urgency going into the season. You know, we had a situation before the start of the 2002/03 season where I went in to talk to Nellie just one on one and said, look, Nellie, I just think — Mr. Nelson, we have to really have a sense of urgency going into the season. And that we have a good team. I’ve taken your recommendations on player personnel. We’ve — I’ve made the investment. We’ve gone from having one of the lowest payrolls to one of the higher payrolls in the league, again, on your recommendation, and I thought we needed a stronger sense of urgency. Just things that — that I think as — as a manager, just using my managerial experience over the years, that I thought was worth saying.

Rather than getting into a discussion abut it, he proceeded to call in Steve Nash and Michael Finley and Dirk and Avery Johnson, and I forget who else was in the room, and basically said, okay, don’t tell me, tell these guys, you know. So rather than having just a one-on-one conversation, general manager, owner, and let’s talk about, you know leveraging my experience as a general manager so that we can possibly be better as an organization, he threw it out there, you know, and from my perspective to try to embarrass me. And it turns out, I was able to turn it into a positive conversation, and we started the season 14 and 0.” (118-19)

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» Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:24 pm
Lets take a look back; Nellie on his thoughts concerning Belly, who was drafted # 18 by the warriors. ... id=2931177

but the famously hyperbolic Nelson has already seen enough, after two July outings, to declare that Belinelli has the ability to compete for spot minutes at point guard. Challenging Monta Ellis for the starting 2-guard berth left vacant by the deal that sent Jason Richardson to Charlotte is another possibility.

"He shoots the shot you don't expect," Nelson said. "He shoots it a little late, or he shoots it a little quicker than the [defender] expects. He'll surprise you how he comes off screens or when he back-cuts you. He's very unpredictable offensively, and that's what I like about him."

So much for the notion that unpredictable rookies are the scourge of coaches.

"This is one," Nelson said, "that doesn't make me nervous."

As for the notion that Nellie will ultimately decide he's not going to coach Belinelli ...

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» Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:57 pm
What is the point of this? We all know Nellie is going to double back on what he says and change his mind about players, so there really isn't anything to prove. And Nelson isn't going to change his ways just because we document it here.

I am sorry if it seems rude to ask, but what is the point? To make us all more depressed?

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» Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:36 pm
To be honest I despise him as a coach, from his lies, to how he runs the team, his never changing ways which continues to push on the team. Just concrete evidence, its depressing sure, but it’s the truth. Am glad you truly know how Nellie, this is just documentation, a look back per say. Am hoping to find some positive news concerning Nellie but so far no luck, it has been just the negative. My intentions were not to depress warriors fans, but that’s the direction its going. Not a rude question at all.
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» Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:10 pm
He's been "phoning it in" for quite some time....

he'll get Cuban's money and all of Chris Cohans and skip town...



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