TMC wrote:

migya wrote:Something like a package deal involving Murphy, dunny and Zarko (and also a 1st pick or bench player like Foyle or Cheany if needed) for Pierce and Al Jefferson would be ideal - Though I don't want any trade but this one is more worthwhile

That's even worse than all the KG trades. Al Jefferson is going to be a monster once the Celts let him play. He's even more valuable than Pierce. We'd be raping them with that trade....

btw, funny avatar, Migya...

I reckon if Pierce wanted to leave, the Celts would go for this trade. Dunleavy is a disappointment but there's always the "potential talk" that people go on about and he would replace Pierce as SF. Murphy is a PF that the Celts just love and apparently he loves them. Zarko is brimming with potential and has the size and skills that would fit great with the other Celtics players. Throw in either a 1st round pick or Foyle (a very good shot blocker) or Cheaney (good veteran) and it is not a bad trade. Al Jefferson should end up great but when???? He is developing quite slowly

Yes JRich is younger than Pierce. But I doubt he'll ever be as complete a player as Pierce is.

We all gotta remember how good Baron makes all the players look. This is the same exact team that sucked all last year until baron came over.

Fisher-always been a spot up shooter, with Baron he can be the Fisher of Lakerland.

JRich-BD creates open shots for him as well as those break away gimme points. He does hit tough shots with people in his face this year though (which he should getting that close to Maxx Money). Still cant create for others.

Murph-See richardson above.

Basketball is all about creating open shots and looks for others. Look at the past championship teams they either have players who can do that (Bulls, Rockets, Lakers, Spurs) or a system that does it (Pistons). Dunleavy was suppossed to be able to do that among other things. Fish and JRich cant. Murphy cant. We have no one who demands a double in the low post. SO after Baron the only other player who can create shots for his teammates is ZARKO!!!!

Question. Would this years team without Baron Davis be better than last years team was up to this point?

migya wrote:Al Jefferson should end up great but when????

When he has a coach that puts him in the floor. Doc Rivers is the worst coach in the whole league. He's great motivating players, but just retarded in any other aspect...

TradeDunleavy wrote:Question. Would this years team without Baron Davis be better than last years team was up to this point?

The record would be roughly the same than last years pre-Baron team. It's almost the same team, and the rookies ain't playing much...

tradedunleavy wrote:Yes JRich is younger than Pierce. But I doubt he'll ever be as complete a player as Pierce is.

He is already a great rebounder and is getting better in all other categories. The thing is when and how soon he will be able to create for himself and others. He is going to get better, it is inevitable and that is a great thing for the Golden State Warriors

I love Jason Richardson but he's more of a guy who needs to be set up by someone (like Baron). But Pierce has the same swagger as BD. The same aura of leadership where he can will his team to win like Baron. None of the other Warriors really have that force of will (and who knows if they ever will). Don't you ever notice how frustrated Baron is with the other Warriors sometimes because they're not playing with the same sort of urgency. Pierce has that urgency as well as the talent and strength to be a late game go-to guy. He seems to be a much better defender, rebounder, and passer than Dunleavy (not that that's saying much). Having two guys like that would be great in case one of them is ever injured or having an off night. Richardson is very talented but is more of a follower (behind Davis, which seems to work great actually). Plus if you think Baron's and Jason's on court chemistry is good, think of what it must be like for two friends who have played each other since grammar school. BD might give Pierce absolutely sick stats. Having a second leader like Pierce in addition to Jrich would be ideal and downright deadly if Diogu develops into the kind of player he projects to be. With a lineup like that, Foyle, Biedrins, and Taft would be more than serviceable centers because they wouldn't be needed to do anything more than complement Diogu: make hustle plays, rebound, defend the opponent's interior scorers, and block shots. Any offense from them would be just gravy. Of course, if Mullin could get a lineup like that the next step would be to assemble the proper bench. Then we'd be looking at a "deep-into-the-playoffs" caliber team.

wrycooter wrote:I love Jason Richardson but he's more of a guy who needs to be set up by someone (like Baron). But Pierce has the same swagger as BD. The same aura of leadership where he can will his team to win like Baron. None of the other Warriors really have that force of will (and who knows if they ever will). Don't you ever notice how frustrated Baron is with the other Warriors sometimes because they're not playing with the same sort of urgency. Pierce has that urgency as well as the talent and strength to be a late game go-to guy. He seems to be a much better defender, rebounder, and passer than Dunleavy (not that that's saying much). Having two guys like that would be great in case one of them is ever injured or having an off night. Richardson is very talented but is more of a follower (behind Davis, which seems to work great actually). Plus if you think Baron's and Jason's on court chemistry is good, think of what it must be like for two friends who have played each other since grammar school. BD might give Pierce absolutely sick stats. Having a second leader like Pierce in addition to Jrich would be ideal and downright deadly if Diogu develops into the kind of player he projects to be. With a lineup like that, Foyle, Biedrins, and Taft would be more than serviceable centers because they wouldn't be needed to do anything more than complement Diogu: make hustle plays, rebound, defend the opponent's interior scorers, and block shots. Any offense from them would be just gravy. Of course, if Mullin could get a lineup like that the next step would be to assemble the proper bench. Then we'd be looking at a "deep-into-the-playoffs" caliber team.

Absolutely right! but I do believe JRich will become a leader and like Pierce. I'd rather have Paul Pierce over anyone to trade for right now, if there is still a chance of getting him. That is the direction Mullin should be going and that would make the team a championship contender!

Like I have stated before - Dunleavy, Murphy (if needed!), and a 1st pick for Pierce or Dunleavy, Murphy (Great if Celts accept Foyle instead but unlikely), Fisher or Cheaney and a 1st pick for Pierce and Jefferson