the perfect three way trade (CHI, PHX, GSW)

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:20 am
Tell me this trade isn't completely bad-ass for all parties

Players
Suns trade...
-Amare Stoudemire ($16,378,325) + Jared Dudley ($1,307,640) + Louis Amundson ($855,189) = $18,541,154 To Warriors
Warriors trade...
-Andris Biedrins ($9,000,000) + Brandan Wright ($2,671,440) = $11,671,440 To Suns
-Kelenna Azubuike ($3,132,000) + Speedy Claxton ($5,757,818) + Acie Law ($2,216,160) = $11,105,978 To Bulls
Bulls trade...
-Kirk Hinrich ($9,500,000) = $9,500,000 to Suns

Money
Phoenix
Total Incoming
$11,671,440 + $9,500,000 = $21,171,440
Total outgoing
$18,541,154 (x 125% = $23,176,442.5, so it works under trade rules)
net change in salary
+$2,630,286

Chicago
Total incoming
$11,105,978
Total outgoing
$9,500,000 (x 125% = $11,875,000, so it works under trade rules)
net change in salary
+$1,605,978


Golden State
Total incoming
$ 18,541,154 (x 125% = $23,176,442.5, so it works under trade rules)
Total outgoing
$11,671,440 + $11,105,978 = $22,777,418
net change in salary
-$4,236,264!

Projected Depth Charts
Phoenix
Steve Nash? / Kirk Hinrich / Goran Dragic
Leandro Barbosa / Alando Tucker
Jason Richardson / Aleksandar Pavlovic / Earl Clark
Brandan Wright / Earl Clark / Taylor Griffin
Andris Biedrins / Ben Wallace / Robin Lopez

Chicago
Derrick Rose / Acie Law / Anthony Roberson / (Claxton)
John Salmons / Kelenna Azubuike / Anthony Roberson
Luol Deng / Kelenna Azubuike / Tim Thomas
Tyrus Thomas / James Johnson / Taj Gibson
Joakim Noah / Brad Miller / Jerome James

Golden State
Monta Ellis / Stephen Curry / CJ (re-sign)
Stephen Jackson / Anthony Morrow / Marco Belinelli
Corey Maggette / Jared Dudley (or AR)
Amare Stoudemire / Anthony Randolph / Louis Amundson
Ronny Turiaf / (FA center, Gortat?) / Jemereo Davidson
Or
Curry / Belinelli / CJ
Monta / Morrow / CJ
Jak / Mags / Dudley
Randolph / Turiaf / Amundson
Amare / (FA Center, Gortat?) / JD

Reasoning
good for PHX because...
-unsure about 36 year old Nash, Dragic not a starter yet. Hinrich is good insurance and can help the suns transition out of Nash.
-Hinrich improves their defensive woes and helps them transition out of run and gun style
-get rid of Dudley and Amundson who they'd prob cut next year anyway.
-Don't have to resign Amare

Good for CHI because...
-Hinrich is an expensive starting PG they don't need now that rose is there (Kirk is the 2nd highest paid player on the team). replaced with a reasonably priced Law
-they get a $5.75M expiring contract
-they get a great backup (starter?) wing at an crazy good price. don't have to resign Gordon if he asks for too much.

Good for GSW because...
-hold onto Belinelli - arguably one of the best young on-ball perimeter defenders and smartest (play-making) guards we have
-get a more reasonably priced/talented third string in Dudley. compare to Azu sitting behind Jax and Maggs (maggs and azu are very similar anyway).
-6'7" 225# Dudley can help out at the 3 or the 4, no more undersized Azu guarding David West when we are in foul trouble.
-sets us up to cut Marco and Dudley next year if need be (both have team options)
-we get rid of Law and Claxton who we weren't going to use anyway, gives us room to re-sign CJ (he's a restricted FA)
- get amundson, who is a great rebounder for his size
-We cut more than 4 Million off our current roster= ~<$57Mill salary (most likely under the cap). that means we can go for a Marcin Gortat if he's valued slightly above the MLE.
-oh yeah, and we get that Amare guy... he's supposed to be pretty good.

I know what some of you are thinking... why not just keep hinrich for ourselves. Monta isn't going anywhere. Monta has 5 years left on his contract and no ones going to want him for that long given that his ankle is still questionable.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:04 am
this trade isn't completely bad-ass for all parties :wink: :mrgreen:


It is feasible, though I don't think the Suns would want Hinrich, especially more than they want Curry. Amundson did very well for them in the limited time he got last season, so they'd want to keep him and would want him and BWright to battle it out for starting PF spot.


I like my trade better :wink: :mrgreen:
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:44 am
Keep marco and give up azu... NO WAY. Azu is going no where in my book. Marco is a no body. Azu is a player EVERY team wants on their team. A husler. Marco gives up on plays, is lost at times, and hasn't proven much for keeping for the "future".

The other stuff i am down with.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:54 pm
giving buike (who is likely a starter candidate) would strip us of our depth. dudley and amundson really arent that good. basically biedrins and buike for amare is fine, whatever...but giving brandan wright and expiring contracts for amundson and dudley is ridiculous.

*Note: I know that's not exactly the way it's put, but as far as what theyre worth to our team, that is exactly what it would be.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:32 pm
E-Man wrote:giving buike (who is likely a starter candidate) would strip us of our depth. dudley and amundson really arent that good. basically biedrins and buike for amare is fine, whatever...but giving brandan wright and expiring contracts for amundson and dudley is ridiculous.

*Note: I know that's not exactly the way it's put, but as far as what theyre worth to our team, that is exactly what it would be.


all of you are overlooking the fact that our salary would drop to $53M before signing Curry (@what <2Mill?) we will be far enough under the cap to actually ADD depth through Free Agency. we are basically turning Claxton's expiring contract into straight cash (well 4 Mill of it anyway).

yeah we would add two sucky players (who are also both really goofy looking too), but...
A) they are 3rd string players, they are supposed to be cheap and bad.
B) dudley sucking gives randolph the ability to back up the 3 sometimes. so, if amare insists on playing PF only, AR can still get a lot of playing time backing up both the 4 and the 3 positions.
C) we can cut Amundson if we really don't like him. he's not guaranteed money and we have a team option.
D)Dudley too has a team option next year. it's not like we have to keep him long term.

If AR can play a little bit of the 3 (we'll see how that works out in the SL) this trade would make even more sense. get rid of Azu for a good reason... to get amare.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:57 pm
first off wrote:all of you are overlooking the fact that our salary would drop to $53M before signing Curry (@what <2Mill?) we will be far enough under the cap to actually ADD depth through Free Agency. we are basically turning Claxton's expiring contract into straight cash (well 4 Mill of it anyway).


Keep in mind, we are about 3.5 million OVER the cap right now so cutting 4 mill is not a big help. And we would have to spend that money under the cap before we could use our MLE
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:23 pm
bada wrote:
first off wrote:all of you are overlooking the fact that our salary would drop to $53M before signing Curry (@what <2Mill?) we will be far enough under the cap to actually ADD depth through Free Agency. we are basically turning Claxton's expiring contract into straight cash (well 4 Mill of it anyway).


Keep in mind, we are about 3.5 million OVER the cap right now so cutting 4 mill is not a big help. And we would have to spend that money under the cap before we could use our MLE


OK 4 Mill is cut off our 60M salary, so that's 56 right? Cap is 57M [estimated] and Lux tax threshold is 69.4M [Estimated]
all we need is one FA Center, resign CJ and JD. that's not that much.

If we spend.
9M for the FA Center
3M for CJ (early bird exception)
1M on JD (non-bird exception)
We'd still be under luxury tax. and those are max numbers. we don't even have to resign JD anyway, get another D-leaguer possibly?

how does that not help us? otherwise we just have the MLE (~6M) to spend on a center, meaning we have more competition with everyone else over the cap.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:53 am
first off wrote:
bada wrote:
first off wrote:all of you are overlooking the fact that our salary would drop to $53M before signing Curry (@what <2Mill?) we will be far enough under the cap to actually ADD depth through Free Agency. we are basically turning Claxton's expiring contract into straight cash (well 4 Mill of it anyway).


Keep in mind, we are about 3.5 million OVER the cap right now so cutting 4 mill is not a big help. And we would have to spend that money under the cap before we could use our MLE


OK 4 Mill is cut off our 60M salary, so that's 56 right? Cap is 57M [estimated] and Lux tax threshold is 69.4M [Estimated]
all we need is one FA Center, resign CJ and JD. that's not that much.

If we spend.
9M for the FA Center



9 MILLION on a Center? Biedrins is getting that and if we get Amare for him, he goes Center. We wouldn't need another Center man, maybe a backup if Turiaf goes backup PF and AR to SF, otherwise no need for one.

If the trade goes through, all the team needs is to look for another quality big, be it a C or PF or one that can play both at a cheap price, like the MLE AND a PG, if either of Curry or Monta is traded, otherwise one of them will be the starting PG and there is no need for any other guard at all. The team can still spend no more than 60 million and have a very good team
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:13 pm
first off wrote:
bada wrote:
first off wrote:all of you are overlooking the fact that our salary would drop to $53M before signing Curry (@what <2Mill?) we will be far enough under the cap to actually ADD depth through Free Agency. we are basically turning Claxton's expiring contract into straight cash (well 4 Mill of it anyway).


Keep in mind, we are about 3.5 million OVER the cap right now so cutting 4 mill is not a big help. And we would have to spend that money under the cap before we could use our MLE


OK 4 Mill is cut off our 60M salary, so that's 56 right? Cap is 57M [estimated] and Lux tax threshold is 69.4M [Estimated]
all we need is one FA Center, resign CJ and JD. that's not that much.

If we spend.
9M for the FA Center
3M for CJ (early bird exception)
1M on JD (non-bird exception)
We'd still be under luxury tax. and those are max numbers. we don't even have to resign JD anyway, get another D-leaguer possibly?

how does that not help us? otherwise we just have the MLE (~6M) to spend on a center, meaning we have more competition with everyone else over the cap.


to my understanding, you cant sign a FA to go over the cap. You can re-sign RFA's and go over the cap, but not signing an outside FA. unless I am totally off? in which case disregard this post.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:14 pm
E-Man wrote:
first off wrote:
bada wrote:
first off wrote:all of you are overlooking the fact that our salary would drop to $53M before signing Curry (@what <2Mill?) we will be far enough under the cap to actually ADD depth through Free Agency. we are basically turning Claxton's expiring contract into straight cash (well 4 Mill of it anyway).


Keep in mind, we are about 3.5 million OVER the cap right now so cutting 4 mill is not a big help. And we would have to spend that money under the cap before we could use our MLE


OK 4 Mill is cut off our 60M salary, so that's 56 right? Cap is 57M [estimated] and Lux tax threshold is 69.4M [Estimated]
all we need is one FA Center, resign CJ and JD. that's not that much.

If we spend.
9M for the FA Center
3M for CJ (early bird exception)
1M on JD (non-bird exception)
We'd still be under luxury tax. and those are max numbers. we don't even have to resign JD anyway, get another D-leaguer possibly?

how does that not help us? otherwise we just have the MLE (~6M) to spend on a center, meaning we have more competition with everyone else over the cap.


to my understanding, you cant sign a FA to go over the cap. You can re-sign RFA's and go over the cap, but not signing an outside FA. unless I am totally off? in which case disregard this post.


you are correct E-Man....otherwise, what would be the point of the cap?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:35 am
oh well fvck me then I didn't know that was the case
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:46 pm
first off wrote:oh well fvck me then I didn't know that was the case



Not unless you look like some of the bichs from the Cheerleaders thread that was so popular a while ago :mrgreen:
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:33 am
i agree with migya
i dont see phx or chi jumping out their seats to do this trade.
the only superstar in the trade is amare (hence it may be unfair)
it is a plausible possibility though.

kudos, must have taken a while to get that to all work out...

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