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who are you voting for?

Barack Obama / Joe Biden
22
67%
John McCain / Sara Palin
3
9%
other (Bob Barr, Ralph Nader, etc)
1
3%
I'll decide later
3
9%
No one. Voting is for jerks
4
12%
 
Total votes : 33

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:00 pm
TMC wrote:
migya wrote:
first off wrote:
TMC wrote:
migya wrote:Do all of you Americans know that you don't have to pay Income Tax, as it is not in the Constitution? The IRS forcing people to do so, issuing fines and doing other "terror" activities to people as they do is illegal. Same thing here in Australia I've found out, with Income Tax not being legal


The fact that it's not on the Constitution doesn't mean it's not legal, bro. As long as it's not strictly forbidden, it's technically allowed, because the regulation will have to come from other sources.


yeah TMC is totally right. sorry migs.



The 16th Amendment states that there can be no new powers of taxation by the governement. This means Income tax over there is illegal. The states never agreed to vote that that tax is legal, so nothing changed, so Income tax is illegal


Not really. This is the 16th amendment's text:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.


It never says that income taxes are forbidden. Quite the opposite. It allows and even encourages taxes from whatever source the Congress wants to tax. It even allows the Congress to set taxes without any kind of apportionment (that is, distribution) between States based on census.



the Sixteenth Amendment does not contain the words "repeal" or "repealed", the Amendment is ineffective to change the law. The income tax is an unconstitutional direct tax that should be apportioned (divided equally amongst the population of the various states). Several tax protesters assert that the Congress has no constitutional power to tax labor or income from labor, citing a variety of court cases. These arguments include claims that the word "income" as used in the Sixteenth Amendment cannot be interpreted as applying to wages; that wages are not income because labor is exchanged for them; that taxing wages violates individuals' right to property,[4] and several others.


You see, the whole argument is more based on the fact that ALL Income tax in the U.S.A. does not go to the people, for use in infrustructure and so forth, but instead goes to the profits of the bankers that own the Federal Reserve. You see, the Federal Reserve OWNS the currency and so OWNS ALL MONEY in the U.S.A and they charge interest for the use of the currency by the U.S. people.

That's the stupid thing and it exists in all developed countries, as the Rothschilds and their cousins (such as Rockefellers, Morgans, Warburgs etc.) own the Central banks.

As for the definition of "INCOME" in the U.S.A. - It used to mean "profits" not "wages or salary", as that is payment in exchange for services.

You see, the U.S. has many taxes and those taxes cover the infrustructure, such as Education, roads etc. The Income Tax goes straight to the Federal Reserve for profit and is not used for the people of the U.S.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:18 am
migya wrote:
TMC wrote:
migya wrote:
first off wrote:
TMC wrote:
migya wrote:Do all of you Americans know that you don't have to pay Income Tax, as it is not in the Constitution? The IRS forcing people to do so, issuing fines and doing other "terror" activities to people as they do is illegal. Same thing here in Australia I've found out, with Income Tax not being legal


The fact that it's not on the Constitution doesn't mean it's not legal, bro. As long as it's not strictly forbidden, it's technically allowed, because the regulation will have to come from other sources.


yeah TMC is totally right. sorry migs.



The 16th Amendment states that there can be no new powers of taxation by the governement. This means Income tax over there is illegal. The states never agreed to vote that that tax is legal, so nothing changed, so Income tax is illegal


Not really. This is the 16th amendment's text:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.


It never says that income taxes are forbidden. Quite the opposite. It allows and even encourages taxes from whatever source the Congress wants to tax. It even allows the Congress to set taxes without any kind of apportionment (that is, distribution) between States based on census.



the Sixteenth Amendment does not contain the words "repeal" or "repealed", the Amendment is ineffective to change the law. The income tax is an unconstitutional direct tax that should be apportioned (divided equally amongst the population of the various states). Several tax protesters assert that the Congress has no constitutional power to tax labor or income from labor, citing a variety of court cases. These arguments include claims that the word "income" as used in the Sixteenth Amendment cannot be interpreted as applying to wages; that wages are not income because labor is exchanged for them; that taxing wages violates individuals' right to property,[4] and several others.


You see, the whole argument is more based on the fact that ALL Income tax in the U.S.A. does not go to the people, for use in infrustructure and so forth, but instead goes to the profits of the bankers that own the Federal Reserve. You see, the Federal Reserve OWNS the currency and so OWNS ALL MONEY in the U.S.A and they charge interest for the use of the currency by the U.S. people.

That's the stupid thing and it exists in all developed countries, as the Rothschilds and their cousins (such as Rockefellers, Morgans, Warburgs etc.) own the Central banks.

As for the definition of "INCOME" in the U.S.A. - It used to mean "profits" not "wages or salary", as that is payment in exchange for services.

You see, the U.S. has many taxes and those taxes cover the infrustructure, such as Education, roads etc. The Income Tax goes straight to the Federal Reserve for profit and is not used for the people of the U.S.


dude, even glen beck disagrees with you. even he believes it is a common misconception that you don't actually have to pay taxes. Also, Beck, if you don't know, was suggesting the state of Texas ought to succeed from the US a few months ago.That guy supports pretty much any conservative/libertarian talking point, but even he can't put his name behind the "you don't have to pay income tax" theory.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:54 am
first off wrote:
migya wrote:
TMC wrote:
migya wrote:
first off wrote:
TMC wrote:
migya wrote:Do all of you Americans know that you don't have to pay Income Tax, as it is not in the Constitution? The IRS forcing people to do so, issuing fines and doing other "terror" activities to people as they do is illegal. Same thing here in Australia I've found out, with Income Tax not being legal


The fact that it's not on the Constitution doesn't mean it's not legal, bro. As long as it's not strictly forbidden, it's technically allowed, because the regulation will have to come from other sources.


yeah TMC is totally right. sorry migs.



The 16th Amendment states that there can be no new powers of taxation by the governement. This means Income tax over there is illegal. The states never agreed to vote that that tax is legal, so nothing changed, so Income tax is illegal


Not really. This is the 16th amendment's text:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.


It never says that income taxes are forbidden. Quite the opposite. It allows and even encourages taxes from whatever source the Congress wants to tax. It even allows the Congress to set taxes without any kind of apportionment (that is, distribution) between States based on census.



the Sixteenth Amendment does not contain the words "repeal" or "repealed", the Amendment is ineffective to change the law. The income tax is an unconstitutional direct tax that should be apportioned (divided equally amongst the population of the various states). Several tax protesters assert that the Congress has no constitutional power to tax labor or income from labor, citing a variety of court cases. These arguments include claims that the word "income" as used in the Sixteenth Amendment cannot be interpreted as applying to wages; that wages are not income because labor is exchanged for them; that taxing wages violates individuals' right to property,[4] and several others.


You see, the whole argument is more based on the fact that ALL Income tax in the U.S.A. does not go to the people, for use in infrustructure and so forth, but instead goes to the profits of the bankers that own the Federal Reserve. You see, the Federal Reserve OWNS the currency and so OWNS ALL MONEY in the U.S.A and they charge interest for the use of the currency by the U.S. people.

That's the stupid thing and it exists in all developed countries, as the Rothschilds and their cousins (such as Rockefellers, Morgans, Warburgs etc.) own the Central banks.

As for the definition of "INCOME" in the U.S.A. - It used to mean "profits" not "wages or salary", as that is payment in exchange for services.

You see, the U.S. has many taxes and those taxes cover the infrustructure, such as Education, roads etc. The Income Tax goes straight to the Federal Reserve for profit and is not used for the people of the U.S.


dude, even glen beck disagrees with you. even he believes it is a common misconception that you don't actually have to pay taxes. Also, Beck, if you don't know, was suggesting the state of Texas ought to succeed from the US a few months ago.That guy supports pretty much any conservative/libertarian talking point, but even he can't put his name behind the "you don't have to pay income tax" theory.



You have to read up on it. The IRS has been asked by many people many times to show them where the law is that says you have to pay Income tax and they have never done so because there isn't any. Many, MANY, long serving, high ranking lawyers have questioned this for quite some time and know that Income Tax existing is illegal in the U.S.A.

Other taxes, such as oil tax and alcohol tax, are legal and are used for infrustructure of the U.S. That's the big difference, not just that Income tax is illegal over there, but that ALL OF IT goes to the Federal reserve for profit, NONE used for the U.S. people.

Watch that documentary I posted on the other thread by Aaron Russo, America: Freedom to Fascism, and then think about it. Do some extra reading as well
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:49 pm
Don't know how many of you are following, but unfortunately it seems that Ahmadinejad has won re-election in Iran. Pretty big chance the election was rigged due to the margin of victory (supposedly it's 65% vs. 32% for Mousavi who had seriously widespread support).

This is very disheartening, Mousavi gave hope for a U.S. alliance with Iran, which would be HUGE for us in stabilizing that region. Ahmadinejad is a nutcase who would love nothing more than to obliterate Israel...or at least the people occupying it.

I'm pretty disappointed, although I should have known the elections wouldn't be fair...so much for democracy in the Middle East!
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I don't think the Muslim world cares for Democracy, anyway. I remember they threatened Obama to not mention it in his speech or else.
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xbay wrote:I don't think the Muslim world cares for Democracy, anyway. I remember they threatened Obama to not mention it in his speech or else.


That's not even close to correct. If you look at the Iranian election and the massive turnout they had (they extended the voting for 6 hours in order to accommodate people) those people believe in Democracy more than we do here in the U.S. (and don't get me started on how we're not even a Democracy here).

There's a big difference between not caring for Democracy and not wanting it shoved down your throat.
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I have to say once again that it is all rigged anyway, in favour of the elite I've spoken about. They want and need to attack Iran, to show anyone thinking of resisting the new world government movement not to.

You can't expect other governments to really be better than your own and the U.S. government is close to the worst of the lot, likely the worst.


Any of you been stopped by check points on highways?

Any group of people over there been told to get microchipped or at least forced to get the microchipped ID card/driver's license?

Really fast how things are moving over there in the U.S. lately
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migya wrote:I have to say once again that it is all rigged anyway, in favour of the elite I've spoken about. They want and need to attack Iran, to show anyone thinking of resisting the new world government movement not to.

You can't expect other governments to really be better than your own and the U.S. government is close to the worst of the lot, likely the worst.


Any of you been stopped by check points on highways?

Any group of people over there been told to get microchipped or at least forced to get the microchipped ID card/driver's license?

Really fast how things are moving over there in the U.S. lately


We are, and have been since the 1930's, a socialist nation. We can pretend we're the model of democracy all we want, but we're not and haven't been for a long time (meaning this threats of "Obama will turn us Socialist" are just plain ridiculous because we already are!).

Nations like Iran, no matter how our media wants to portray them, are much more interested in Democracy than we are over here. In the last few elections in the Middle East there have been overwhelming turnouts in voters, including 86% of registered voters in Iran on Friday. We're lucky to get 50% over here.

The United States is a disgrace to Democracy, so for us to sit over here and judge the way other nations operate is not only silly, but INCREDIBLY hypocritical. I applaud the Middle East for working towards Democracy, with a fervor and I hope the people continue to be interested in and participate in the political process over there. These things will not be achieved over night, it took the U.S. 50 years to finally reach a stable two-party political system, if these nations can do it in less then fantastic, if not it is no reflection on them or their systems. Democracy is difficult to achieve and even harder to maintain.

I think I got kind of off topic there...my bad.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:09 pm
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migya wrote:I have to say once again that it is all rigged anyway, in favour of the elite I've spoken about. They want and need to attack Iran, to show anyone thinking of resisting the new world government movement not to.

You can't expect other governments to really be better than your own and the U.S. government is close to the worst of the lot, likely the worst.


Any of you been stopped by check points on highways?

Any group of people over there been told to get microchipped or at least forced to get the microchipped ID card/driver's license?

Really fast how things are moving over there in the U.S. lately


We are, and have been since the 1930's, a socialist nation. We can pretend we're the model of democracy all we want, but we're not and haven't been for a long time (meaning this threats of "Obama will turn us Socialist" are just plain ridiculous because we already are!).

Nations like Iran, no matter how our media wants to portray them, are much more interested in Democracy than we are over here. In the last few elections in the Middle East there have been overwhelming turnouts in voters, including 86% of registered voters in Iran on Friday. We're lucky to get 50% over here.

The United States is a disgrace to Democracy, so for us to sit over here and judge the way other nations operate is not only silly, but INCREDIBLY hypocritical. I applaud the Middle East for working towards Democracy, with a fervor and I hope the people continue to be interested in and participate in the political process over there. These things will not be achieved over night, it took the U.S. 50 years to finally reach a stable two-party political system, if these nations can do it in less then fantastic, if not it is no reflection on them or their systems. Democracy is difficult to achieve and even harder to maintain.

I think I got kind of off topic there...my bad.



As Aaron Russo said in his interview with Alex Jones before Russo died - Democracy is probably the worst kind of government, because it blinds people in thinking they are free and by that it is meant that 51% of the people can force the other 49% of the people what to do, any decision of vote. In a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, like the U.S. had supposedly at the very beginning of its independence from Britain, 99% of the people can't tell 1% of the people what to do! As long as you don't violate the freedom of anyone else, such as stealing and any form of act that adversely affects other people's freedom and rights, it is alright. THAT IS THE WAY LIFE SHOULD BE!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:55 am
The whole thing with Iran is both tragic (at least 7 deaths, rigged election, violence, other nations supporting this current regime, etc) and hopeful (widespread turnout, massive protest, fight for democracy).

Xbay, the muslim would DOES care about democracy. Just the institutions of power in place make it difficult (if not almost impossible) to allow for it to occur. Plus, they limit information and media from their people to control them better.

Capt. , Mahmoud IamANutJob is a figure head with little power. The main power lies with the Counsel of Guardians (12 members) and the Supreme Leader (not the president), who appoints 50% of the Counsel of Guardians. These are the one's who have most of the force, the President is just a spokesman of sorts, though with an opinion as well, just not a very strong one. And i dont get what you mean that we (as americans) are not as interested in Democracy. I am pretty sure 99% of the population favors democracy over something else, and thats just the US.

Mig, i dont get what your saying about the microchip licenses, can you elaborate?

Anyone else want to comment, so i can call them out :mrgreen:
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Mr. Crackerz wrote:Xbay, the muslim would DOES care about democracy. Just the institutions of power in place make it difficult (if not almost impossible) to allow for it to occur. Plus, they limit information and media from their people to control them better.


Sounds like a our government...
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Mr. Crackerz wrote:The whole thing with Iran is both tragic (at least 7 deaths, rigged election, violence, other nations supporting this current regime, etc) and hopeful (widespread turnout, massive protest, fight for democracy).

Xbay, the muslim would DOES care about democracy. Just the institutions of power in place make it difficult (if not almost impossible) to allow for it to occur. Plus, they limit information and media from their people to control them better.

Capt. , Mahmoud IamANutJob is a figure head with little power. The main power lies with the Counsel of Guardians (12 members) and the Supreme Leader (not the president), who appoints 50% of the Counsel of Guardians. These are the one's who have most of the force, the President is just a spokesman of sorts, though with an opinion as well, just not a very strong one. And i dont get what you mean that we (as americans) are not as interested in Democracy. I am pretty sure 99% of the population favors democracy over something else, and thats just the US.

Mig, i dont get what your saying about the microchip licenses, can you elaborate?

Anyone else want to comment, so i can call them out :mrgreen:


99% of the population SAYS they want Democracy. But when about 50% of the people actually show up to vote, their actions are speaking much louder than their words (just as a comparison, 86% of eligible voters voted in Iran on Friday). Not to mention that most of this country is willing to give up an inordinate amount of freedom in order to achieve "protection", which is highly contrary to Democracy. And as I said earlier, the U.S. is no longer a Democratic state, we are a socialist state with much too much government control to classify ourselves as a Democracy.

If people here cared about Democracy they would tear themselves away from Jon and Kate Plus 8 and actively participate in the government. But they don't, they just want someone else to do the job for them, they want someone else to make the decisions and they want someone else to blame when things go wrong. Very few people in the U.S. want a REAL Democracy because it would force them to take action and take responsibility for their actions. Which is something most people in this country refuse to do.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:25 pm
Mr. Crackerz wrote:Mig, i dont get what your saying about the microchip licenses, can you elaborate?



Start with this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchip_implant_(human)


Then go here - http://www.spychips.com/


There are many other sites that have information about the RFID microchip. The elite are microchipped already, as I have read and ofcourse their privacy will always be guaranteed, not like the rest of the "sheep".

For those that follow the bible, Book of Revelation says that those that take the mark of the beast on their forearm/wrist/hand, will be of satan and rejected by god. Just something for the christians here
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Ron Paul Slams Federal Reserve’s New Dictatorial Powers

Congressman tells MSNBC that the very entity responsible for the economic crisis is now more powerful than Congress
Friday, June 19, 2009

Responding to the Obama administration’s new regulatory reform plan, which will officially hand the Federal Reserve complete dictatorial control over the U.S. economy, Congressman Ron Paul told MSNBC that the Fed was now more powerful than Congress.

Paul emphasized that no amount of regulation could compensate for a financial system created and controlled by the Federal Reserve that was completely unstable to begin with.

“The regulations should be on the Federal Reserve. We should have transparency of the Federal Reserve. They can create trillions of dollars to bail out their friends, and we don’t even have any transparency of this. They’re more powerful than the Congress,” said Paul.

As we reported yesterday, the new rules would see the Fed given the authority to “regulate” any company whose activity it believes could threaten the economy and the markets.

Obama’s regulatory “reform” plan is nothing less than a green light for the complete and total takeover of the United States by a private banking cartel that will usurp the power of existing regulatory bodies, who are now being blamed for the financial crisis in order that their status can be abolished and their roles handed over to the all-powerful Fed.

“They’re giving a tremendous amount of more power to the Federal Reserve - the very institution that created our problem. That’s about the way Washington works,” said the Congressman

“Too much regulations to begin with, so they give it more. The Federal Reserve creates the problem, so we give them more power. It’s fiat money that’s the problem, so we allow them to double the money supply - you can’t solve the problems that way. That’s like saying you can take care of a drug addict by just giving them more drugs,” concluded Paul, adding that the lack of understanding about how the Federal Reserve created the problem and how the free market ought to work was the root of the crisis.

Watch the clip below.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:19 am
Palin just resigned as Govenor of Alaska yesterday afternoon.
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http://current.com/items/90333106_sarah-palin-to-resign-as-alaska-governor.htm

or if you are illiterate:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4km2h1Rq-g[/youtube]

I'm thinking with all this shiit covering the news rooms right now (all the deaths, esp MJ, and Sanford's Argentinian Lover Scandal and the 4th of July), she can duck out now and people will be too busy to make a big deal out of it.

her plan, if you ask me, is to travel around, so she can say she has experience in things other than snowmobile racing, shooting wolves from helicopters, and being cold. then she runs for president in 2012 as a "new woman"
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