first off wrote: migya wrote:
first off wrote:I don't know Migya,
at least this season, I think maggs has lived up to his 8 Mill pay check, ~20p-6r-2a is pretty f'ing good, esp off the bench. I see no reason to trade him as of now. everyone assumes that we will be able to get the exact same (or improved) production from his replacement and I think that is very far from the truth. Either that or they think that cap space will solve all our problems. further from the truth
Yes we are having a horrible season, but I don't think that necessarily means we should completely launch into a new rebuilding mode.
Amare will leave us in 1.5 years no doubt, and it's not worth trading our draft picks (Beli, wright) or our new acquisitions that have yet to show their full potential with this team for that short of a stay.
If we are trading for new players or signing new FA, WE MUST be able to keep them past 2010. We have already decided we are not going to be a part of the frenzy when we turned a 2yr Al Harrington contract, and S Jax contract into a 3 year Crawford contract and a 5 year Jackson contract), so going back on that decision will only weaken us.
If we got amare until the summer of 2010 some other team with way more cap space will steal him, and since we wont have any cap space even with him gone (Monta, AB, and Jax contracts) we will not be able to sign anyone of the same caliber. so in a sense we are shooting ourselves in the foot if we get him.
Now see, I would have been fine with trading Jax's 2yr and Al's 2yr for Amare a couple months ago but we just can't go back now. unless someone has a spare time machine lying around.
As I've said before, you want players that help teams win, Maggette doesn't do that. That 10 million a year could have been used far better.
Getting Amare will be very difficult, that's why I'd throw alot of player packages at him. The one I said, trading Maggette or Crawford, Azu or Belinelli, BWright or Randolph and this draft's 1st rounder (likely a top 5 don't forget), could be enough to please the Suns and why wouldn't it, they'd be getting alot of talent, all but one of them being young and promising
and what happens in a year and a half?
I guess I'm not convinced that a Monta, jax, ? , Amare, and Dre lineup would not go anywhere. And then in 18 months we would be back to square one with Dre, Monta, Jax, and some other player everyone wants to trade.
basically it comes down to:
A) we are still a team trying to gain traction, trying to evaluate talent, roles, leaders and general chemistry. Placing a bet before you even look at the cards isn't wise.
B) Suns don't want veterans or new talent, they want expirers, which we don't have. at the very least they want contract(s) that end in 2010 but we really do not have that either.
C) As I've stated above I don't believe we are in a position to shop in 2010. NOT including Craw and Maggs we still have 35 Mill due to players which puts us about middle of the pack.
we can get deals on players that have contracts of 3yrs or more (like crawford), or FA that teams don't want to resign because they would have contracts that F' up their teams 2010 shopping spree (David Lee, Nate Robinson, perhaps Felton) neither of which applies to the PHX situation.
or as Max more simply put it -
max from the comment board on the examiner website wrote:No new trades please. No new huge free agent signings.
There are only 3 NEW things the warriors need:
...in that order.
The team can't lose with this deal. If Amare leaves, at least one of either Maggette's or Crawford's contract is gone. Come to think of it, I really want Maggette gone instead of Crawford now because Maggette has another four years after this one, Crawford (if he doesn't opt out this ofseason), just has anothet two, much better. Be great to trade Maggette in such a deal like this one and not have Crawford anymore after this offseason.
If Amare were to stay, we have one of the best players in the nba and most dominant bigs, exactly what this team has always needed and one that is used to playing in run and gun style, actually thrives in it.
I'd pay Amare 18million a year, I think he is worth that much and is that critical in a team's success, all great bigs are. Get rid of Maggette in this deal, let Crawford go this offseason (he has to opt out ofcourse) and build from there, not much needed actually. The team would still have Monta, Biedrins, either Randolph or BWright (which ever one was not in that trade), Azu or Belinelli (same deal as with the other two), Watson, SJackson (could be real good alongside Monta and Amare, being third option again) and Turiaf, to go along with Amare. That's eight players that form a very good team and all that is needed is a very good PG, as Monta is a SG, a big need but much better than three or four needs.
Imagine a starting five (without getting a very good PG) of:
PG - Monta/Watson
SG - Azu or Belinelli/Monta/SJackson
SF - SJackson/Azu or Belinelli/maybe Randolph
PF - Amare/BWright or Randolph/Turiaf
C - Biedrins/Turiaf/Amare
Role players can be picked up pretty easily to fill out the team, maybe Kurz and Davidson can be kept, maybe even MWilliams and who knows, he coul actually get some court time and show that he is a capable PG for the team. There really could be ten players from the current roster and Amare next season, that's a much better team and definately a playoff one, possibly a top 4 West team