J1000 wrote:migya wrote:J1000 wrote:rockyBeli wrote:Klay, Barnes, Lee and a 2015 1st round pick
too much imo. Does Love + Martin get you more wins than Klay + Lee ?
This trade will likely make them weaker defensively, but offensively they'll be stronger.
It's a tough decision letting Klay go but I do think adding Love to the rest of the team does get you more wins. I don't even really factor Martin into this. I would probably rather not have Martin on my team to be honest, except maybe to bring him off the bench occasionally for some scoring punch. But he will probably give up as many points as he will score, if not more, so you have to choose your situations and match ups for when it is advantageous to have him on the floor.
On the offensive end Love can do so many different things from all over the floor. He can hit threes like Klay does, making up for some of what was lost. With his "floor-stretching", and his passing ability, the dynamic on the floor will change quite a bit. It will create a lot of open shots for his teammates. Much more so than with the current lineup in my opinion.
Defensively, they may slip somewhat, but I think the improvements offensively will more than make up for it.
There are a few different scenarios for this trade being reported. The latest I read is Lee and Thompson for Love, Martin, J.J. Berea and Minnesota's No. 1 pick (13th overall).
I don't mind having KMartin for one year, then trading him as an expirer next offseason. He can score, hit the outside shot quite well and most importantly get to the foul line, something Klay doesn't do much of, being more a shooter than anything else. In fact, that could well be a key thing if we got Love and Klay, that they both draw fouls and shoot a good number of FTs, a stat that the team was one of the least at, getting FTs. KMartin isn't much of a passer ans is a terrible defender but his offense could be valuable at times. I would be open to trading him to a third team for one or two serviceable players, even a future 1st or 2nd rounder but that's only if our FO can get at least one other player that can score enough to offset the loss of Klay's scoring some three quarters (75%, so about 14-15pts a game).
As for KMartin giving up as many points as he scores himself, not necessarily because the team plays a very good team defense that could buffer KMartin's opposing player from scoring easily. I think DGreen starting at SF and Iguodala at SG would be the best lineup most of the time, being amazing defensively, as well as at almost every other aspect of the game. KMartin is still serviceable and used well could be quite valuable.
Your team's defense is only as good as its weakest link. If Martin's teammates are helping out on his man for him, they're leaving somebody open. A good passing team like the Spurs is going to find the open man and get buckets. Even if it's not Martin's man that scores, it's his fault.
I agree he's a capable scorer, but other than that I don't see him as a winning teammate. His offense is only good in the sense that he can shoot, and he can find ways to score. But the rest of his offense is mediocre. Not a playmaker, doesn't create for his teammates, doesn't pass well, doesn't crash the offensive boards. And we know how he is on defense. He's pretty much a one dimensional player. It's true he could help in certain situations, but over the long haul I think it's likely his weaknesses outweigh his strengths.
Yet the team was third best defensively last season with weak to average defenders in Lee and Curry.
I'm alright with KMartin for one season, see exactly what he gives us, then trade him as a pretty big salary expirer to some team in need of a scorer. In fact, Charlotte is in desperate need of outside shooting so maybe trading him there for someone like GHenderson could be done immediately when the trade for Love happens.