migya wrote:Don't think Minnesota will get better offers than Lee and two others off the bench excluding Barnes and DGreen, like Speights and Crawford, both who can score a bit. Love wants out of there and he might just demand a trade this offseason.
Barnes has been rather awful this season, but I still think his potential is way to good to quit on him now. I think he'll get it together soon, but yea, right now he has been a bit of a bust, though it has only been this season and he isn't even a top 4 option on the team. The way the roster is, he won't start and/or be a top 4 player for the team for the next two years or so and that doesn't really allow him opportunity to be a big time player in any way.
In today's Mercury News, Tim Kawakami, makes the case for starting Draymond Green at power forward, and it makes sense: http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2 ... more-22559
Draymond Green as the Warriors’ most important power forward? In some ways, it’s already probably happening
Posted on April 7, 2014 by Tim Kawakami
Draymond Green is healthy, starting at power forward recently in David Lee’s absence, and Green is playing very, very well–setting great screens, moving the ball, playing exceptional on-ball and help defense.
Which brings up the question: Is Green the Warriors’ best option at power forward going into the playoffs, whether or not Lee is fully healthy or not by then?
At the very least, I think Green is proving that he deserves (and has deserved) at least as many minutes as a healthy Lee in a tandem PF rotation and Green absolutely deserves the main PF minutes if Lee is at all dinged up and not 100%.
But we also know that the Warriors have based much of their last several seasons on the quite questionable conclusion that Lee is an incredible ALL-STAR!!! player–it took Mark Jackson months into this season to admit that Stephen Curry had jumped ahead of Lee as the team’s best player, which was about two or three years behind actuality.
Lee has been a big part of the Warriors’ rise to relevance, he can do a lot of things on offense, and he is the GSW favorite son–that’s absolutely one thing Joe Lacob and Jackson have agreed upon from Day 1. He’s protected, he’s cherished, his status is unchallenged. However…
Now that Lee is out indefinitely and the Warriors are finally getting a look at Green in a major role–and alongside Andrew Bogut and Andre Iguodala in the starting line-up (when those two guys are healthy)…
Well, things might be changing, because in real life you make adjustments when things happen in front of your eyes.
You can’t make playoff decisions based on how much you like a guy or the things he did in the past, you make them based on what will work best in a rough postseason series or two.
Green can guard good power forwards, he can guard good wings, Jackson even likes playing Green on very good point guards.
That’s different than what Lee gives the Warriors. Just a little.
By the way, last night I asked Bogut about the Bogut/Iguodala/Draymond front line, which has been rarely used this season until last night, when that was the starting group.
“Oh yeah, that’s our killer line-up,” Bogut said with a big smile.
To be ultra-clear, this was part of a general discussion about defense and Bogut meant “killer line-up” in that context–as in killer defensive unit.
Which it is. Beyond doubt. And with Curry and Thompson criss-crossing through the wing areas and getting great screens, and with Green’s ability to challenge defenses with his passes and dives to the hoop… that is a very intriguing OFFENSIVE line-up, too.
Some questions there, but still intriguing on offense and great on defense.
–Last night I told Ethan Sherwood Strauss that maybe Boris Diaw’s pass-cut-pass-shoot work with the Spurs is a decent offensive comparison to what Green might do for the Warriors offensively… and ESS did not immediately shoot that down, so I might stick with it for a while.
And that grouping doesn’t include Lee, who is not a great defensive player or even a good one, especially on the rotations in the paint or out to the three-point line. Plus, Lee isn’t as great offensively as many of his fans seem to think.
He works very well with Curry in the pick-and-roll and can score sometimes on the post, but when his mid-range jumper isn’t there (and it hasn’t been there most of this season), he’s frequently a drag on the Warriors’ Curry/Thompson offensive exploits.
[I know, uh oh, here we go again.]
Yep, it’s impossible to deny that any period of game-time that includes Bogut, Green and Iguodala banging into opponents and making great rotations and defending the rim… well, that’s going to be a very good defensive unit for the Warriors.
But even after starting last night and playing many minutes together, the Bogut/Green/Iguodala trio is one of the least played of all the Warriors’ main-rotation combinations.
As Grantland’s Zach Lowe points out, this specific starting line-up–those three plus Curry and Thompson–has only played 54 minutes together and is a sterling +22 as a unit in the plus/minus.
They need to play more together. They will play more, if Lee stays out for a while longer or even if he is back immediately. If that severely cuts into Lee’s playing time in the minutes, really, that’s not a huge issue.
And then if Green isn’t producing, the Warriors can always go back to Lee playing 35 minutes a game.
* I don’t think Jackson will put Lee on the bench when he’s healthy–the Warriors just worry so much about Lee’s feelings and they rightfully respect his points/rebounds tallies throughout his career and his attitude in the locker room.
But there’s an easy compromise: When Lee’s healthy, put him back into the starting line-up, but have Green ready to come in quickly–maybe after 3 or 4 minutes if things start off poorly for the Warriors, at the latest at the under 6 timeout.
That will make sure Green gets good minutes with Bogut and Iguodala early, and that can freshen Lee up to play long minutes as a post-distributor for the second unit late in the first and into the second quarter.
Then you stick with whatever works into the second half and especially to close out the game–Green, Lee, Jermaine O’Neal, whoever.
* By the way, Bogut is currently No. 2 in the league in defensive rating, Green is No. 5. (Joakim Noah is #1.)
One of the most amazing things about Bogut’s D-rating is that he’s done it playing so much with Lee, which I think Jackson does intentionally to make sure Bogut’s always there to defend the toughest post player and that frees Lee to just score, pass and rebound and stand next to DeAndre Jordan instead of actually guarding anybody.
An under-discussed thing is Bogut’s ability, for a large center, to defend some of the really good power forwards, which is often necessary when Lee is out there with him.
But if you play Bogut with Green for long stretches, which allows Bogut to be a little more free lance on defense when Green is tying up a good PF… lights out, I’d presume.
* Lee has missed 11 games so far this season: Five on the road, six at home.
-The Warriors are 8-3 when Lee has been out.
-They are 4-3 when Lee and Bogut were both out.
-They are 4-0 without Lee but WITH Bogut in the line-up. (One of these is the Memphis game when Bogut started but left after only 4 minutes and didn’t return.)
* The Warriors are 8-4 in games that Bogut has missed.
* In last season’s playoffs, the Warriors were 6-2 in games Lee did not play.
They were 2-4 in games he did play.
In playoff games he played 5 minutes or more, the Warriors were 1-3.
* I could be wrong, but I’m beginning to hear a little wiggle room in Jackson’s approach to the power forward situation. I’m sure part of that is due to his uncertainty about Lee’s status and what Lee might produce even when he’s back.
But I’ve asked Jackson questions about this issue for years now, and this is the most he’s pointed to a possible future with Green getting major minutes at PF, whether or not Lee is playing, too.
—MARK JACKSON post-game last night/
-Q: You haven’t played the Bogut-Green-Iguodala front line very much this season, and it has been noted that it’s potentially a great defensive group.
-JACKSON: I have not?
-Q: Not together. You started them and played them together a lot tonight; do you think you’ll do it more? Do you like seeing those three together now that you’ve seen it a little more?
-JACKSON: Yeah, I know what I get those guys. I think it’s just a question of the rotation. A lot of the season maybe Bogues was not 100% or getting close to 100%.
Obviously Andre wasn’t 100%, missed a bunch of games. So he was always… then there was a minute restriction with him.
I don’t need to see those guys, because they’re three big-time defenders, they’re three extremely high-IQ basketball players. So clearly we’re a very good basketball team with them on the floor.
And I’m sure we’re going to see a bunch of that.
-Q: Have you intentionally kept Bogut and Lee together on the floor, when they were healthy?
-JACKSON: No, I didn’t try to keep them together. I was just trying to stay healthy. If you think–Jermaine missed I don’t know how many games, close to 30 games, 20-something games… So you had to make a conscious effort of making sure how the rotation was going to be not having a back-up center for quite a while.
But that’s going to play itself out.
The thing I love about Draymond is he’s a big-time screen-setter. He creates openings because he constantly head hunts to get guys open, and then he dives to the hoop off of those screens.
And it makes us extremely difficult to defend. And then he’s unselfish. He’s a guy while he dives to the hoop or pops to the three-point line, he’s a play-maker out of that.
So it gives us a different weapon.
—Earlier, during pregame, I asked about Draymond Green maybe establishing himself as the main power forward whether or not Lee gets back soon…
-Q: Is it possible Draymond just becomes your starting power forward and you have to work David in around that?
-JACKSON: When David’s healthy?
-Q: If he’s out for much longer… does Draymond just become your starting power forward?
-JACKSON: David’s not playing, I’m fine with Draymond, I’m fine with Mo, I’m fine with Jermaine. We have options. We have versatility at that position.
Now obviously David is a proven guy that’s put together a body of work for a long time and he will be missed. But the show goes on. And we’ve got guys that have body of work themselves and they’ve been desperate for this type of situation and they embrace it.