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» Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:59 pm
Hello to all my Sports Board peeps,

I think this is my second post in this forum (the first one in the Giants thread was completely thanks for that! :wink: )

But anyway, I thought you guys might like to know something recently discovered about "Americas Game" = Baseball.

Baseball's UK heritage confirmed

Local historians in Surrey have confirmed evidence that baseball was played in the UK more than 20 years before American independence.

A diary that documents a game being played in Guildford in 1755 has been verified by Surrey History Centre.

William Bray, a Surrey diarist and historian from Shere, wrote about the game when he was still a teenager.

Major League Baseball, the governing body of the game in the US, has been informed of the discovery.

Julian Pooley, Surrey History Centre manager and William Bray expert, said the diary showed the game was a well-established sport in the 18th Century and was played by men and women.

Tricia St John Barry, who owns the diary, dug out the documents last year after watching a report on BBC South Today which said the sport began in the 1790s.

Ms St John Barry remembered the old manuscript, which she had had for many years, and responded to an appeal to viewers for more information on the subject.

William Bray lived from 1736 to 1832 and worked as a solicitor, a steward of Surrey manors and a Surrey historian.


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Mr Pooley said: "He kept lots and lots of diaries that we have in the Surrey History Centre but last year a new one was discovered in a garden shed and it contains his diary from 1754 to 1755.

"It contains a reference to him playing baseball. What intrigued me is he is playing it with a load of young ladies."

The diary states they had tea after the game on Easter Monday and also played cricket.

Kevin Sullivan, the Washington Post's London bureau correspondent and an avid Boston Red Sox fan, told BBC Radio Four's Today Programme: "It's a great American tradition to take things from other places and improve them.

"We've always known that baseball evolved - it wasn't invented like basketball."

There was a later historical reference to the game being played in England in Jane Austen's Northanger Abbey, written between 1797 and 1798. ... 97e1b41a8a

Pooley has worked closely with MLB on the production of a documentary film tracing the origins of the game called Base Ball Discovered.

The centre says it has been in regular contact with the makers to supply background information on and images of Bray as well as copies of his manuscripts.

"Baseball is an integral part of American life and this news about a national obsession in the U.S., where homegrown sports have traditionally dominated, will reverberate far and wide," said Helyn Clack, executive member for Safer and Stronger Communities at Surrey County Council.

"It is a game steeped in history and now Surrey County Council's History Centre and an inquisitive local historian have provided the earliest manuscript proof that the game the Americans gave to the world came from England."

A digital copy of the manuscript that refers to baseball is to go on display at Surrey History Centre in Woking, a district of Surrey, along with documents containing some of the earliest references to cricket.

Intresting stuff huh?..............your welcome!!! :mrgreen:

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» Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:10 pm
good find...I know that my brother took a few courses at San Jose state University on the history of baseball....many find babseball history very interesting.
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» Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:18 pm
The history of baseball has been cloudy from the get-go. The whole Abner Doubleday invented baseball movement was purely for propaganda purposes to make the game more American.

Elements and terminology also derived from sports like cricket and rounders.

The Father of Baseball, Alexander Cartwright, is the one who set forth a lot of the rules and playing dimensions that we see today.
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» Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:36 pm
The UK can have baseball back for all I care.
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» Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:22 pm
bada wrote:The UK can have baseball back for all I care.

LMAO!!!................jeez, that sounded abit venomous...............

Anyway, trust me, no-one here wants it. :wink:

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