TMC wrote:Ok, let's play.
Duncan has won three rings, the Spurs weren't unable to win anything til he went there. And they had great teams, with D-Rob, George Gervin & others.
My point exactly. David Robinson and George Gervin are, no doubt, better players in their prime than Tim Duncan is. Tim's just having the good luck of playing in a time when the league's virtually wide open for anybody who can play team basketball to take the rings. Gervin and Robinson played in times where the league was at a higher place and had worthy champions winning their rightful glory. Teams like the nowadays Spurs or Pistons wouldn't stand a chance against teams of yesteryear like the Showtime Lakers, Bird's Celtics, Jordan's Bulls, Bad Boys Pistons, or Jerry West's Lakers. The league's wide open and Tim's on the best rounded team. Lucky him.
TMC wrote:Shaq is not the same player he was. He's already lost a step. Still dominating, tho.
More dominant than anybody in the game, without question. Even if he's lost a step (which is debatable), he's still more dominating than Tim Duncan is. Shaq changes an entire game just by being on the floor. Unless you foul him or throw three guys on him, Shaq is an instant two points. Duncan doesn't command that sort of attention.
TMC wrote:LeBron still has to make the playoffs and do anything other than posting great stats. Right now, he's Grant Hill Part Deux.
LeBron is doing for Cleveland what Vince Carter did for the Raptors; because he doesn't have the supporting cast, he won't make it as far as Tim (who has better players around him). 27 ppg, 7.5 rpg, and 7 apg are better all-around numbers than Jordan put up. LeBron's career is just entering his 3rd season. Wanna make a bet that with Big Z, Larry, and Donyell he's not gonna make the playoffs this year? I'm betting Cleveland hits the post-season easy this year (btw, on a side note, Grant Hill on his best day is LEAGUES above Tim Duncan on his best day. A career-screwing injury taking him down doesn't change the fact that Hill was a better player in his time).
TMC wrote:Kobe didn't make the playoffs since Shaq left.
Because the team was new and had no credible coaching (or at least consistent coaching). Kobe was still able to single handedly tie the rejuvinated Golden State Warriors last season record BY HIMSELF (because, lets be honest, when Kobe's playing, Lamar gets lazy). Bryant is a better all-around player than Tim and is more valuable to a team.
TMC wrote:KG, hasn't won anything, and he couldn't even make the playoffs last season.
Again, bagging the TEAM instead of the player. Kevin Garnett won a league MVP and he didn't even need to bring his team to the NBA Finals. That's how good he is. Tim Duncan never got superstar, league franchise personal recognition until he won a ring. Garnett already has it. Put KG in Duncan's place and the Spurs winning the title wouldn't even be a question.
TMC wrote:Stoudemire only plays as well as his athletic ability allows him to. What I mean, it's a question mark which Amare will come back from this injury.
You're right... but last year, he was a better player than Duncan. He meant more to the Suns than Tim does to the Spurs. Amare's dominant physical game is something the league hasn't seen since a little guy by the name of Shaquille O'Neal came into the league. True, Amare's legs are his biggest weapon, but he was a better player than Duncan last year (and WOULD BE this year, too, if his injury didn't occur).
TMC wrote:AI, I won't say anything about AI. I'm biased, as he's my fave (of nowadays players).
I dunno about him being one of my favorites, but you can't deny the skills. Especially after a season where he single-handedly dragged the Sixers to the Finals. Duncan couldn't do that on his best day with the team AI had.
TMC wrote:And Dirk D is worse than Dunleavy's. 'Nuff said.
Dirk is the only toss-up on the list. One day, he's better than Duncan, the next day he's worse. One thing's for sure; without him, the Mav's are screwed. He gets 26 pts and 10 boards a game, while shooting from the outside is still a major strength of his. Dirk's defensive game isn't helpless, either; as a 7-footer, he blocks his fair share of shots. Not as many as TD because Dirk doesn't usually play inside defense against post players, but he got a good amount last season.
Overall, every player listed (with the exception of Dirk... who's tied with him) would do a better job in Tim Duncan's place with the San Antonio Spurs. Sure, the guy's a great player... but lets not go overboard and act like he's one of the transcending time centers to ever play the game. Shaq, KG, AI... those are players that have broken the time barrier because they're Top 10 all-time in their positions. Tim Duncan is not a Top 10 all-time center. End of story.