32's Two Minute Ramble: DENVER NUGGETS

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» Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:41 am
You make a good point there Player32. That holds true if a team is not really great at what they do well.

TMC, you really know how to hit the nails on the head man!!!!!!! Soak in the accolades brother :D
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» Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:44 am
Last season's Suns?

You mean the team with Amare (1.6 blk, 1.0 stl), Marion (1.5 blk, 2.0 stl), and Nash (1.0 stl)? Pretty sure they had some good all-around defensive players, not simply one-dimensional shot-blockers.
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» Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:43 pm
Player32 wrote:Last season's Suns?

You mean the team with Amare (1.6 blk, 1.0 stl), Marion (1.5 blk, 2.0 stl), and Nash (1.0 stl)? Pretty sure they had some good all-around defensive players, not simply one-dimensional shot-blockers.


Hey, you forgot to put the joke icons. :wink:

Nash's defense is the WORST of any starting pg in the league. Defense is not stats.
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» Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:00 pm
I beg to differ; Jason Williams is the worst defensive starting point guard in the league. Nash's defense is fine.

Everyone on this website rebelling against statistics is starting to go too far. Yes, there's more to the game than stats. But STATS DON'T LIE. Don't discount the best method we have for assessing a players value just because you don't know how characteristically he plays by reading numbers. Bottom line; stats cannot lie.
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» Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:11 pm
If stats don’t lie then fisher must really#######################################################################################################

U get my drift but stats do lie, for example Larry Huges is not the best defensive SG in the league, although his stats say so. Bruce Bowen doesn’t get 25% of the steals that Larry Huges does but he is probably twice the defender that Larry can ever hope to be.
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» Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:38 pm
Well, Larry Hughes gets you steals on defense... I'd say that makes him one of the best defensive guards in the league, wouldn't you? Certainly not simply "half of what Bruce Bowen is"...

And, allow me to rephrase that, 99% of the time, statistics tell the story better than anything else.
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» Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:47 pm
No, the steals stat just shows that the player takes risks on defense, not that he's a good one on one defender.
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» Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:50 pm
It also shows his risks pay off, apparently...
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» Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:53 pm
Steal show that the player has good BBall IQ but they do not show his effort in man to man defense.
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» Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:58 pm
Effort and results are not always the same; you can give 110% and still be a horrible player. Statistics are more effective because you see results which, in the end, are more important. Who can provide results.
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» Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:05 pm
Player32 wrote:It also shows his risks pay off, apparently...


No, if you get 3 steals, but also allow 7 uncontested shots or easy baskets due to risking those steals, that's not paying off.
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» Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:20 pm
No player in the league gives up 7 uncontested shots a game; not even a risker defender like Larry Hughes. At the worst, his antics would break even with his steals.

And, FYI, there's a statistic to Bruce Bowen, too. It's called "points allowed by opposing player." And he has an extremely low number on that. Stats never fail. Boo-yah.
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» Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:26 pm
Player32 wrote:No player in the league gives up 7 uncontested shots a game; not even a risker defender like Larry Hughes. At the worst, his antics would break even with his steals.

And, FYI, there's a statistic to Bruce Bowen, too. It's called "points allowed by opposing player." And he has an extremely low number on that. Stats never fail. Boo-yah.


OK then give me a stat on derrick fisher's cluchness.(if that is a word)
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» Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:30 pm
The 3/7 was only an example, not that anyone does it...

And the stat you still fail to mention is fg% allowed. That's the only stats that reflects the impact of the defense on the game, and only somewhat.

And that's bullsh*t about Bowen, he hacks opposing players consistently. Anyone is able to defend is those fouls aren't called. Stats don't cover this.
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» Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:37 pm
True bowen does seem to get away with a lot. If the warriors could get away with what bowen does they would be one the top defenses in the league.

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