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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:25 pm
Like, no offense to our European guests on this forum or anybody of European descent, but Euro's are ruining the game of basketball. Andris Biedrins is a freak-of-nature for not heavily relying on a jumper, flailing wildly whenever he gets touched, and being credited as "fundamentally sound".

If this expansion happens, we might as well just start calling it "the flopper division". Alonzo Mourning refused to go to Toronto, so did Kenny Anderson, and Steve Francis held out until Vancouver traded him. That's just Canada, man. That's a hop, skip, and a jump from the states! It's across the damn Great Lakes! That's Detroit, with health care, basically! Imagine the player outrage when one of these homegrown, American country boys with no motivation to leave the US whatsoever finds out he's been traded to Paris.

This won't work; you'll never get a player's union willing to let their boys be traded, like chess pawns, to an entirely different continent, having to pack up their family and be deported across the Atlantic. I love Europe, don't get me wrong, but if I had a job were I was working from October to May in Europe, plus offseason training camp, PLUS all the "in your community" things the NBA forces you to do, I'd lose my mind.

David Stern, show you're not entirely willing to sacrifice the wellbeing of this league by taking a stand and scrapping this idea of yours. The most lucrative idea shouldn't always be automatically considered the best idea. Christ, this fool Stern would do gay porn if they paid him enough money. I'm sure of it.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:19 am
Yeah, stupid idea. There's so many negatives that you can point out if this we're to be taken into consideration that it'd outweigh EVERY SINGLE positive there is by a number not even known yet.

I mean, imagine having back-to-back games. @ New York. @ Paris. @ Miami. @ Madrid.

There's just too many things to overcome. Stern would be officially labeled the worst commissioner of any sport all time if this went down.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:05 am
xbaywarrior wrote:There's just too many things to overcome. Stern would be officially labeled the worst commissioner of any sport all time if this went down.


Sadly, it still might happen...

I've just read an interview with Stern (no link, sorry. It's on spanish press this morning ) and he says that the plan is to award 5 franchises to that European division. One in London, where they already have a NBA ready arena, another in Munich (they're building another arena there) two in Spain (Madrid and Barcelona) and another one still undecided (Paris or somewhere in Italy).

According to Stern, the new division will be ready to join the NBA in 6 to 8 years, once the new arenas are ready.


I've already said what I think about this retarded, moronic plan... It, in a way, benefits me as NBA fan, but it will cause more damage to the NBA than it will help. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Oh, well... There's still time. I hope somebody can talk him out of that ridiculous expansion project.
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32 wrote:Like, no offense to our European guests on this forum or anybody of European descent, but Euro's are ruining the game of basketball. Andris Biedrins is a freak-of-nature for not heavily relying on a jumper, flailing wildly whenever he gets touched, and being credited as "fundamentally sound".

If this expansion happens, we might as well just start calling it "the flopper division". Alonzo Mourning refused to go to Toronto, so did Kenny Anderson, and Steve Francis held out until Vancouver traded him. That's just Canada, man. That's a hop, skip, and a jump from the states! It's across the damn Great Lakes! That's Detroit, with health care, basically! Imagine the player outrage when one of these homegrown, American country boys with no motivation to leave the US whatsoever finds out he's been traded to Paris.

This won't work; you'll never get a player's union willing to let their boys be traded, like chess pawns, to an entirely different continent, having to pack up their family and be deported across the Atlantic. I love Europe, don't get me wrong, but if I had a job were I was working from October to May in Europe, plus offseason training camp, PLUS all the "in your community" things the NBA forces you to do, I'd lose my mind.

David Stern, show you're not entirely willing to sacrifice the wellbeing of this league by taking a stand and scrapping this idea of yours. The most lucrative idea shouldn't always be automatically considered the best idea. Christ, this fool Stern would do gay porn if they paid him enough money. I'm sure of it.


Nice post 32..........certainly sums it up well for me.

As a European (ohh and of course your not offending any Euro guys, we all know that the Euro NBA'ers are mostly floppers..........its like soccer in England, about 15 years ago when alot of Italians/Spanish/French started to come over, there was a new wave of flopping and cheating........nothing against Italians/Spanish/French of course.........but its a fact)

Anyway, as a European, the NBA's motivation for this is to obviously expand there empire of global domination and pandering to global markets.............the annoying thing is that they will do it under the guise that it will enhance grass roots basketball in Europe..............however, I see it going like this =

It will completely destroy European basketball, as I know that if I had a choice of watching any Euro team vs an NBA (Euro) team and its visiting NBA team...........I know which game Im going to spend my money on! (I dont follow british basketall since I stopped playing but I would follow a London NBA team)

It will enhance basketball and its reputation/visibility and possibly make it come close to rivalling soccer in terms of popularity..........kids will be playing it more and there will be official programmes for development set up and could even bring a college system like in the US............all leading to the destruction of Euro Basketball again as if your a young kid, growing up playing basketball and you now have a real chance at playing for an NBA team and competing on that level..........then whats going to be your focus ?

Overall, it is just another money making bullcrap idea...........one which has no merits other than to make more money for these corporate fat cats. All the posts in here are right, players would refuse, youd end up with half baked teams in Europe that would become the laughing stock of the new NBA and it would be pointless..................ohh god, I hate this society, no-one is happy with what they got............always got to have more and end up ruining everything sacred.

I tell you what, Ill go blow up the O2 Areana over here (thats the stadium they built with this in mind) so thats one spanner in the works from me and my contribution to the halting of global monopolisation! :mrgreen:
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:56 am
bigstrads wrote:As a European (ohh and of course your not offending any Euro guys, we all know that the Euro NBA'ers are mostly floppers..........its like soccer in England, about 15 years ago when alot of Italians/Spanish/French started to come over, there was a new wave of flopping and cheating........nothing against Italians/Spanish/French of course.........but its a fact)


No offense taken, buddy. It's totally true. Our soccer league has elevated flopping into an art.

Even kids playing anywhere flop any time they can (not against me... I was a slower Vinne Jones when I played soccer :mrgreen: ). I also blame the big amount of south american players, tho. It wasn't so glaring some years ago...

bigstrads wrote:It will completely destroy European basketball, as I know that if I had a choice of watching any Euro team vs an NBA (Euro) team and its visiting NBA team...........I know which game Im going to spend my money on! (I dont follow british basketall since I stopped playing but I would follow a London NBA team)


Yeah, that would end lots of local leagues... I wonder what the FIBA thinks about this.

bigstrads wrote:It will enhance basketball and its reputation/visibility and possibly make it come close to rivalling soccer in terms of popularity..........kids will be playing it more and there will be official programmes for development set up and could even bring a college system like in the US............all leading to the destruction of Euro Basketball again as if your a young kid, growing up playing basketball and you now have a real chance at playing for an NBA team and competing on that level..........then whats going to be your focus ?


I'm not sure I follow you here. I don't think it will improve much. I mean, young kids will still play soccer, because they have a bigger chance of making it big there than of joining one of the few NBA franchises.

bigstrads wrote:Overall, it is just another money making bullcrap idea...........one which has no merits other than to make more money for these corporate fat cats. All the posts in here are right, players would refuse, youd end up with half baked teams in Europe that would become the laughing stock of the new NBA and it would be pointless..................ohh god, I hate this society, no-one is happy with what they got............always got to have more and end up ruining everything sacred.


That I agree with. I also have to say that I think it will be failure, not only from a sport standpoint, but also as a commercial venture. Soccer is just too big here to allow bball to succeed like Stern expects to. It will work for a few years... but will soon lost that initial appeal.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:12 am
TMC wrote:No offense taken, buddy. It's totally true. Our soccer league has elevated flopping into an art.

Even kids playing anywhere flop any time they can (not against me... I was a slower Vinne Jones when I played soccer :mrgreen: ). I also blame the big amount of south american players, tho. It wasn't so glaring some years ago...


Lol! man I would have loved to see you playing like Vinnie against stupid little flopping kids.........give them something to flop about!!! :evil:

TMC wrote:I'm not sure I follow you here. I don't think it will improve much. I mean, young kids will still play soccer, because they have a bigger chance of making it big there than of joining one of the few NBA franchises.


I just meant that by default kids would be playing alot more than they are now, and know alot more about basketball/NBA.........also, I think that FIBA would demand that proper programmes are made and invested in by the NBA..........as if it was just the new teams being here and nothing else put in place, then it would just be raping Europe of its basketball interest and money spent, and not lay any ground work to build a proper sustainable foundation.

TMC wrote:That I agree with. I also have to say that I think it will be failure, not only from a sport standpoint, but also as a commercial venture. Soccer is just too big here to allow bball to succeed like Stern expects to. It will work for a few years... but will soon lost that initial appeal.


Hmmm, I agree...........can you imagine if it goes ahead, it fails and they end up withdrawing/cancelling it??? the ripple effect would be huge and pretty much ruin the NBA's Euro market, as well as leaving a massive NBA shaped hole with people wondering "What are we going to do now?".

Your right about soccer as well, especially here in England, people just dont "get" basketball, so many people see it as boring and that theres too many stopages..........stupid opinion but thats the mentality............also, the pre-season game of Boston vs Minny here didnt go down too well..........the coverage was awful, the guests were awful, too much emphasis on the "other" entertainment of cheerleaders and all that jazz...........plus, it was a pre-season game, so not the best showcase.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:01 pm
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TMC wrote:No offense taken, buddy. It's totally true. Our soccer league has elevated flopping into an art.

Even kids playing anywhere flop any time they can (not against me... I was a slower Vinne Jones when I played soccer :mrgreen: ). I also blame the big amount of south american players, tho. It wasn't so glaring some years ago...


Lol! man I would have loved to see you playing like Vinnie against stupid little flopping kids.........give them something to flop about!!! :evil:


No sh*t, buddy. Best thing is that I usually played as the striker, and I sucked so bad... Only because I was slow as f*ck. So I had to look for other ways to scare opposing defenders, not all of them totally legal. Thank god I had good 'ol Vinnie as inspiration. :mrgreen:


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TMC wrote:I'm not sure I follow you here. I don't think it will improve much. I mean, young kids will still play soccer, because they have a bigger chance of making it big there than of joining one of the few NBA franchises.


I just meant that by default kids would be playing alot more than they are now, and know alot more about basketball/NBA.........also, I think that FIBA would demand that proper programmes are made and invested in by the NBA..........as if it was just the new teams being here and nothing else put in place, then it would just be raping Europe of its basketball interest and money spent, and not lay any ground work to build a proper sustainable foundation.


What I'm saying is that I don't think it would be much different than it is right now. I mean, the kids that like bball, instead of looking for the local teams, will follow that NBA team, but I doubt a majority of the population would change their mind about it. I see it more like a temporal thing, people interested in it as a novelty, but soon getting old (particularly if those teams lose a lot of games, which seems likely).

Probably in England it could be different, as having a NBA franchise would be a big boost for you bball junkies there, considering there are no other options... but I doubt it can have the same effect here.

bigstrads wrote:Hmmm, I agree...........can you imagine if it goes ahead, it fails and they end up withdrawing/cancelling it??? the ripple effect would be huge and pretty much ruin the NBA's Euro market, as well as leaving a massive NBA shaped hole with people wondering "What are we going to do now?".


Yeah... but if they're losing money, the league won't think twice about closing the experiment. After a few years, of course.

Sort of like what happened with the NFL Europe. The London Monarchs and Barcelona Dragons were interesting the first few years... but ultimately failed.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:36 am
How much longer can Stern POSSIBLY be the Commisioner?!?

I was hoping he'd be OUT in 6-8 years!
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