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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:02 am
Just spotted an article on SI about this and thought that this situation/event becomes even weirder now...........what do you guys think?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/b ... =fannation

ATLANTA (AP) -- Shaquille O'Neal is leaving some unfinished business behind in Atlanta as he heads to Phoenix.

The Atlanta Hawks and Miami Heat must replay the final 51.9 seconds of their Dec. 19 game in Atlanta on March 8, but now O'Neal won't be with Miami for the game.

O'Neal was traded to the Phoenix Suns on Wednesday. The deal sent four-time All-Star Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks to Miami, and thus the new question: Will the two new Miami players be eligible for the replay of the end of the Dec. 19 game?

"The league doesn't know. They'll have to make a determination," Hawks general manager Billy Knight said Wednesday night.

The replay is necessary because the Hawks' official scorer ruled incorrectly that O'Neal fouled out of the game.

The Hawks won 117-111 in overtime. Play will start from the time after O'Neal's disputed sixth foul, with the Hawks leading 114-111.

Knight said NBA officials brought up the possibility of an O'Neal trade when they announced last month that the end of the game must be replayed. Knight said he was told be officials last month that a decision would have to be made about the eligibility of any new Miami players if there was a trade.

The Hawks also were fined $50,000, with commissioner David Stern ruling the team was "grossly negligent" in failing to address the mistake.

The protest is the first granted by the NBA since December 1982, when then-NBA commissioner Larry O'Brien upheld a request for a replay by the San Antonio Spurs after their 137-132 double-overtime loss to the Los Angeles Lakers the previous month.

The Spurs and Lakers finally finished the game in April 1983, with San Antonio winning 117-114.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:12 am
That's what happens when you force teams to replay just a few seconds. I guess their current rosters will be able to play.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:26 am
great point. I would think Marion and Banks would be ineligible to play, but on the other hand it would be bizarre to have Shaq come back and play for 50 seconds. I imagine everyone involved in the trade probably ends up sitting out.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:32 am
In soccer, if one game has to repeat a few minutes (not the whole game, of course), it's done with the players that were playing at the time. In case some of them are not available (trades, injuries...), they can be replaced with anybody on their current rosters, even if they were acquired after the original game.


It doesn't mean anything for the NBA, tho.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:29 am
I know they fined the Hawks already for this, but they should fine them again for good measure. What an idiotic move on their part.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:28 pm
Thunder wrote:I know they fined the Hawks already for this, but they should fine them again for good measure. What an idiotic move on their part.


Mistakes happen man, score keepers and stat people are only human............Im sure that this kind of thing happens more than we realize...........usually the refs spot things like that and correct them straight away, this one just slipped through the net and obviously affected the game.

I think they will have to just play it as is, with the new players, they couldnt penalise Miami for making a trade, what if they pulled a blockbuster trade and got rid of like 4-5 players? that couldnt leave them out.

I say Atlanta still takes it.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:18 am
bigstrads wrote:I think they will have to just play it as is, with the new players, they couldnt penalise Miami for making a trade, what if they pulled a blockbuster trade and got rid of like 4-5 players? that couldnt leave them out.



Yea, it is the teams as they are against each other, can't take players away, it would not be fair
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:58 am
If taking players away is n't fair, how is adding players fair? It's not penalizing Miamai for making a trade, they have bigger issues than this game! I think this game should be played with only players that were on the rosters at that time.

Could they have added Marion and Banks before that game ended, NO! Could Shaq have not played the end of that game, YES! Case closed...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:46 am
Could they have added Marion and Banks before that game ended, NO! Could Shaq have not played the end of that game, YES! Case closed...

But the ENTIRE reason for the replay was so that Shaq could play the last 51.9 seconds, that's the difficulty. The reason there was a replay was so that they could see what would have happened had shaq not been incorrectly fouled out. Since, in theory (not in practice), trades are supposed to be even, Marion and Banks being on the team is theoretically (again, not really) a fair replacement for Shaq in those last 51.9 seconds.

And to answer people's questions, players traded to a team can play in the replay. There was a famous game when Eric Money and a couple other people played on two separate teams in the same game because the teams made a trade in between the game and the replay.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:00 am
tHe_pEsTiLeNcE wrote:And to answer people's questions, players traded to a team can play in the replay. There was a famous game when Eric Money and a couple other people played on two separate teams in the same game because the teams made a trade in between the game and the replay.


That would be so weird............and make this whole thing even more interesting.............but I doubt it will go down that way.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:31 pm
This is really weird, cant wait to see what happens.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:55 pm
Just to finish this topic up..............Shaq will not retunr to the Heat for 51.9 seconds! (not that I thought he would).........

..........AND Marion and Banks WONT be allowed to play!...........how much does that suck?................more pointless, officious rubbish from the NBA.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:49 am
Not that it matters much... but it would be interesting to see the league's decision if Miami were in the run for the last playoff spot...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:42 am
There's no way Shaq comes back and plays 50 seconds for the HEAT. Not only would he object, but the Suns won't let him chance a freak injury for 50 seconds of tick on another squad.

However, the new Suns players should not be eligible. This game was set when O'Neal was on the HEAT. If Shaq doesn't play for them, they shouldn't have a Shaq-stitute play for him. And if nobody is playing for Shaq, than there's really no reason to replay this damn game anyway.
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32 wrote:There's no way Shaq comes back and plays 50 seconds for the HEAT. Not only would he object, but the Suns won't let him chance a freak injury for 50 seconds of tick on another squad.

However, the new Suns players should not be eligible. This game was set when O'Neal was on the HEAT. If Shaq doesn't play for them, they shouldn't have a Shaq-stitute play for him. And if nobody is playing for Shaq, than there's really no reason to replay this damn game anyway.


They should handle this like MLB and only hold the redo if, at the end of the season, it has some sort of meaning. For the Heat, likely the only meaning is a better draft pick. They should just decline the redo and take the loss.
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