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Where do you think the Pistons will finish this season

1. 1st in East, nba champions
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2. 1st in East, nba finals
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3. 1st in East, East finals
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4. 1st in East, out before East finals
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5. 2nd in East, nba champions
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6. 2nd in East, nba finals
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9%
7. 2nd in East, East finals
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55%
8. 2nd in East, out before East finals
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18%
9. Less than 2nd in East, nba champions or nba finals or East finals
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10. Less than 2nd in East, out before East finals
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9%
 
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waiting for the day the bay is on top. may not happen in my lifetime but i want to see (in one year) the 49ers vs Raiders superbowl, Giants vs A's wolrd Series, and Warriors champs over anyone....then add the sharks and sabercats to it. Cal in the final 4... haha i can go on
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:34 am
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JayPat wrote:I don't think so. Detroit is 3 games behind, and Boston doesn't look like they're slowing down any time soon.

Boston: 27-3
Detroit: 25-7

Holy crap! Out of 30 games, only 3 losses!?!?!


Based on the pythagorean win prediction method (which is marginally more accurate than win%), Detroit is now on a pace to win 68 games. The Celtics are on a 74 win pace. Something's gotta give.

If the Pistons win the championship Detroit could be the first city to win 3 major sports' championships in one year, as the Red Wings will probably win the NHL championship and the Tigers have a good chance to win the MLB pennant.

On the other hand, if Boston wins the NBA championship then Boston will likely become the first city to win 3 major sports' championships in one year as the Red Sox are the champions and the Patriots will be.

When was the last time that just one city, let alone 2, dominated sports as much as detroit and boston are right now?



I called you pythagoras a few weeks ago and I know why :)

Great stat and definately a heck of an achievement for both cities.

As far as Pistons and Celts go, I think the Pistons are a stronger team and by that mean they are more spread out over more players in production. One injury to one of the big three and the Celts will lose games most likely
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:54 am
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tHe_pEsTiLeNcE wrote:
JayPat wrote:I don't think so. Detroit is 3 games behind, and Boston doesn't look like they're slowing down any time soon.

Boston: 27-3
Detroit: 25-7

Holy crap! Out of 30 games, only 3 losses!?!?!


Based on the pythagorean win prediction method (which is marginally more accurate than win%), Detroit is now on a pace to win 68 games. The Celtics are on a 74 win pace. Something's gotta give.

If the Pistons win the championship Detroit could be the first city to win 3 major sports' championships in one year, as the Red Wings will probably win the NHL championship and the Tigers have a good chance to win the MLB pennant.

On the other hand, if Boston wins the NBA championship then Boston will likely become the first city to win 3 major sports' championships in one year as the Red Sox are the champions and the Patriots will be.

When was the last time that just one city, let alone 2, dominated sports as much as detroit and boston are right now?



I called you pythagoras a few weeks ago and I know why :)

Great stat and definately a heck of an achievement for both cities.

As far as Pistons and Celts go, I think the Pistons are a stronger team and by that mean they are more spread out over more players in production. One injury to one of the big three and the Celts will lose games most likely


That's a good point. However, I expect the big three to be well rested for the playoffs, and assuming no injuries, Boston is superior.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:15 am
JayPat wrote:
migya wrote:
tHe_pEsTiLeNcE wrote:
JayPat wrote:I don't think so. Detroit is 3 games behind, and Boston doesn't look like they're slowing down any time soon.

Boston: 27-3
Detroit: 25-7

Holy crap! Out of 30 games, only 3 losses!?!?!


Based on the pythagorean win prediction method (which is marginally more accurate than win%), Detroit is now on a pace to win 68 games. The Celtics are on a 74 win pace. Something's gotta give.

If the Pistons win the championship Detroit could be the first city to win 3 major sports' championships in one year, as the Red Wings will probably win the NHL championship and the Tigers have a good chance to win the MLB pennant.

On the other hand, if Boston wins the NBA championship then Boston will likely become the first city to win 3 major sports' championships in one year as the Red Sox are the champions and the Patriots will be.

When was the last time that just one city, let alone 2, dominated sports as much as detroit and boston are right now?



I called you pythagoras a few weeks ago and I know why :)

Great stat and definately a heck of an achievement for both cities.

As far as Pistons and Celts go, I think the Pistons are a stronger team and by that mean they are more spread out over more players in production. One injury to one of the big three and the Celts will lose games most likely


That's a good point. However, I expect the big three to be well rested for the playoffs, and assuming no injuries, Boston is superior.



They have certainly looked superior thus far and actually are on pace to have the most wins in nba history.

Good to see you more active on the forum as well JPat :wink:
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:36 am
PistonsFan73 wrote:At this point we're just taking a wait-and-see approach with Flip. Many of the fans wanted him gone after the last season, blaming him for the early playoff exits. A lot of it has to do with him not being able to make in-game adjustments when an opponent does something. He just gets all discombobulated. Also, he overplayed starters during the past couple of seasons and they were just burned out in the conference finals. The shots were flat, there was no movement on the offense, and they got outrebounded on regular basis. I believe that the success that he did have (and most will call reaching conference finals a success) came from the players that he had. Obviously players benefitted from having Rick Carlisle and Larry Brown around. Larry made Chauncey Billups who he is today and he managed to keep Sheed's mind in the games most of the time. Flip managed to clash with Ben Wallace and with Rasheed Wallace. Many think that Ben left because he couldn't get along with Flip even though he really wanted to be in Detroit. At the same time, looks like Flip and Sheed managed to patch up their differences.
A lot of people were calling for bringing in Laimbeer. Heck, people would prefer Porter at the helm in the offseason. Right now it looks like Flip has made certain strides as a coach reducing players minutes (that was mandated by GM Joe Dumars). Also, I'll admit that this is the first time since Flip became Pistons coach, the team has a very reliable bench. Flip is giving time to the youngsters and they have responded very well. We know that he's a good regular season coach and will get good results. The problem is the playoffs. I say if they under achieve in these playoffs (and in Detroit anything less than NBA finals is a failure), he could be gone before the next season. But the cards are falling right for the team to make the run. The conference, while getting better, is still lacking a quality team beyond Boston and Detroit. Detroit has advantages over Boston, especially in a 7-game series. It doesn't mean they will win, but they have a good chance of doing so.
One more thing to remember, it took Larry Brown many years and many teams to finally win a championship. I guess we should give Flip more time to prove that he can do it, especially since there is no clear alternative is available.


Sounds like what I've been saying about Flip since... well, forever. Decent coach... just chokes during playoff games.

Thanks for your insight, PistonsFan.
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migya wrote:Flip Saunders is a good coach. He took pathetic TWolves teams to the playoffs over and over again so that is an accomplishment right there, Garnett or not, those teams were rather crap.

The Pistons have less proven players now than in the last five, six years where they have had their success. BWallace went for nothing and so did Webber, they have done a great job to stay near the top of the nba

The Pistons have enough proven players to win it all. However, in order for a team to win a championship lots has to go right, not only the coach or the players. So far Flip hasn't shown that he can succeed in the playoffs. When the going got tough in the conference finals two years in a row he couldn't adjust or adopt.
Also, would you really want to have declining Ben Wallace for $15 mil/year and Webber who couldn't defend his own mother and is a bad presense in a locker room?
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Sounds like what I've been saying about Flip since... well, forever. Decent coach... just chokes during playoff games.

Thanks for your insight, PistonsFan.


Flip hasn't had much playoff experience. And he hasn't been good with adjustments. Also, the team has been playing out the string of defense-first coaches in Carlysle and Brown and Flip now finally realizes that he can only win important games with the defense. He got the team to buy into his way of thinking and hence you see the 25-7 record. I think this is going to be the year that will go a long way in defining his coaching career. He needs to succeed in the playoffs, and that's the bottom line. So far Pistons fan like what they see, but the final judgement is reserved for the playoffs.
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migya wrote:Flip Saunders is a good coach. He took pathetic TWolves teams to the playoffs over and over again so that is an accomplishment right there, Garnett or not, those teams were rather crap.

The Pistons have less proven players now than in the last five, six years where they have had their success. BWallace went for nothing and so did Webber, they have done a great job to stay near the top of the nba

The Pistons have enough proven players to win it all. However, in order for a team to win a championship lots has to go right, not only the coach or the players. So far Flip hasn't shown that he can succeed in the playoffs. When the going got tough in the conference finals two years in a row he couldn't adjust or adopt.
Also, would you really want to have declining Ben Wallace for $15 mil/year and Webber who couldn't defend his own mother and is a bad presense in a locker room?



I just think a sign and trae of BWallace would have been nice but he was a freeagent. The Pistons have less proven players now than they had before but guys like Maxiell are stepping up and that is the difference. The Pistons are successful so they deserve credit only
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Ben walked, he didn't give the team an opportunity to do anything. I wonder how he and the Bulls feel now? Ben seems to only get up for the games against Pistons as of late. And I bet Paxson wishes he'd kept Chandler over Ben and didn't trade Aldridge for Thomas.
At the same time Pistons still have one of the best starting fives in the league, and they added the young energetic bench that Flip actually uses, so their starters don't have to put in all the minutes game in and game out. And they look hungry again, they don't take nights off and they try to put an opponent away early. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it all plays out.
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Yea, the Bulls in in disarray right now.

Pistons just one another one, beating Toronto in Toronto by alot
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:12 pm
And Boston won again. A big showdown tomorrow. :mrgreen:
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PistonsFan73 wrote:And Boston won again. A big showdown tomorrow. :mrgreen:



But Boston only barely bet the Grizz. Will definately be a big game when the Pistons meet the Celts
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migya wrote:But Boston only barely bet the Grizz. Will definately be a big game when the Pistons meet the Celts


I think Celts might have been looking past Memphis to the rematch with Detroit.
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migya wrote:But Boston only barely bet the Grizz. Will definately be a big game when the Pistons meet the Celts


I think Celts might have been looking past Memphis to the rematch with Detroit.


Yeah, I saw it more as a trap game. They had their minds on the Pistons so they didn't really focus on the game as much.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:59 pm
This is pretty interesting - a dropoff in the East after Boston and Detroit. Orlando is kind of in-between, but the rest is just brutal. Cavs look average at best, Chicago, who was projected to be a championship-caliber team has struggled mightily. Milwaukee, thought to be a playoff contender, is plain brutal. And people talk about the power shift with some of the trades. I don't know about that.
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