bada wrote:I completely agree Capt. The government should not be involved in this and I too believe that the ban is unconstitutional. Should have never even been allowed to go to vote.
It deprives people of civil rights and should not have been allowed to go to a vote.
What if I got a bunch of signature to put a proposition on the ballot to "ban the right of african americans to have children". Regardless of whether 90% of California's population wanted it, it would NEVER be put on the ballot because it is unconstitutional. I see no difference with same sex marriage.
TMC wrote:You may want to start analyzing what's wrong with democracy first, because that's exactly what happened here.
People voted no to gay marriages, so the high court rule was exactly what had to happen. Those that took place while it was allowed are valid, but not a single one after the voting. Democracy at its best.
The problem is that "democracy" or not we have all, by living in this nation, consented to live under the government and to abide by the United States Constitution. Having done that we have give the government the power to protect our property (which includes ourselves). However, by governing things like marriage the U.S. government has overstepped their purpose and are functioning as a dictatorship. How does gay marriage effect your safety, health, or personal possessions? It does not in any way and therefore should be irrelevant to the government.
Bottom line, the ban on gay marriage, whether voted on by the people or not, is unconstitutional and should not in any way be upheld. While the people are influenced by their beliefs (such as religion), there is a separation between church and state for a reason. The government must remain neutral and cannot allow the people to form policy based on religious reasons.
But I'll stop now before I start getting onto the subject of how badly we have failed as the American people to uphold our part in maintaining a well functioning government. And how we have allowed special interests and money or overrun the will of the people.
But guys, the whole point is that this was brought about by the people of California!!!..............yes it was created by some right wing piece of sh*t but the simple fact is, that that right wing piece of sh*t put this bill to the people of California and the majority AGREED!
This wasnt a senate issue, this wasnt something that the government as a whole did (hence the fact that it isnt a country wide ban on gay marriage)................this was a local/state issue.
Nowadays, a country wide ban of gay marriage would never pass through the senate or the house, because its too sensitive an issue and the representatives would all be too affraid of losing votes and seats.
This is my point, and the reason for me bringing up the Civil Rights Act.............as that was a senate bill, put forth by people in government who knew it was wrong, and could not be opposed because of that............hence it became legislation.
This was a state proposition, put to the people of California, not from "big government", not for America as a whole............it was for California.
So again, I say to you.................this is not a "Ohh, lets change Democracy" issue, because that isnt going to happen unless there is a westernised world revolution...........which wont happen either because people are either too lazy or apathetic.
This is a state by state issue, that should be mused over in small amounts, so as then to create some kind of momentum from one of these types of bills being voted against, and then the rest will follow.
The thing that makes me sad and question the Californians who voted for this, is that they have a rich history of voting the right way on similar issues!!! race bills have often been passed first and pionered in California...............just not this time.