martin wrote: warriorsstepup wrote:
8th ave wrote:i know you guys are only trying to defend women... but u guys have to realize that way of thinking is sexist....
I don’t get how defending women getting assaulted by men is been sexist. Yes we do live in a world were women suppose to be equal to men, and I agree with that 100 percent. Does that mean the WNBA and NBA need to intermix and have a co-ed league? If they don’t do that, is that considered sexist? Or boxing, why Evander Holyfield doesn’t fight LaLa Ali? There is an obvious disadvantage when it comes to strength, to think that is not the case is unrealistic. Now sex discrimination is against equality for women, in places like school, work and that is wrong. There are physical differences between men and women if that was not the case we would in-fact see a coed NBA-WNBA, or COED boxing, go down the line name the sports and you will see the separation, are they being sexist, or giving unequal treatment I think not. The point am making here is pyshical strength between men and women is present, with men having the advantage majority of the time. So in a fight he will have the advantage, and does not bode well for the woman . Now as far as if the situation was switched and Rihana assaulted Chris Brown then of course she would be in the wrong.
in a certain interpretation, one (a female, or a feminist) could answer like this: by saying we 'men' are stronger and we 'must' protect women, we 'men' put women' essence into circulation of 'men' economy and so define it and give it a role. it is masculine presumption that women are weaker then men and it is masculine way of treating them as 'weaker', 'neading in hep', 'caring' and so on solely because of their men defined womanhood, not because they are persons.
the sports you mention are perfect example of sexist economy and woman trying to be the part of it. no, we should not make boxing matches between men and women(as long as there are no women who are strong enough to stand their ground, and this might become possible), it would not be manifestation of equality - it would be unequal even if you/i went against proffessional boxer, though you are a man.
to judge women beforehand you know what they want and think, is shovinist and is what equal rights should prevent. of course it would take 1000000 of years to overcome that, for too many decades women were repressed by men and certain social bonds are here to stay for very long and maybe forever, unless you get 'amazones raping men' to become normal number of population. BUT - question if hitting a 'woman' is right or wrong is already shovinist and sexist, both parties - migya and contras are mainly of the same stance (that they are the ones who define what women are and how they should be treated like) - except taking different poles of the same stick.
the question should have been when and if violence can be right, or is every hitting an act of violence?
tell me, what you want , but if a schmoe comes and hits me down to the ground, it's the same violence even if we both are men.
except most men would certainly feel less compassion for me, because, well, i'm not in their plans of creating a family, showing their power onto every single day and waiting for reward and commitment in the evening. yes, most of men would certainly feel bad for rhihana, because if they were in chris browns place, they would not hit her, but be powerful loving best sex giving caring MEN.
(except, sorry, it is another shovinist, sexist illusion)
To the point you mentioned stating it would be unequal even if you/i went against professional boxer, though you are a man, yes but we are not trained boxers. Boxing is a exillerating sport and a person must have technique, as well as stamina. There are women trained boxers, as I had mentioned Laila Ali, the daughter of Mohamed Ali, a professional boxer at 160 pounds why not allow her to fight men in that weight class. As you mentioned “as long as there are no women who are strong enough to stand their ground, and this might become possible”, with that statement are your being sexist I think not, there are obvious physical difference between a men and women, its not fair to be labeled sexist for being aware of that. “It might become possible but at this day in time it has not arrived. With that that statement you are admitting to the pyshical difference between man and woman with men having advantage on physical strength.
I don’t see how basketball or boxing are sexist sports, am not sure about boxing but, basketball is played by girls from a young age to the colleges and have a professional league, not to familiar with boxing, but it is a sport not trained or performed in high school levels, boxing is not as accessible as basketball.
To be equal is to judge on ability and no other variable, no matter race, or gender. If a woman is able to get into the NFL on ability then of course that is great, she deserved to make the team, instead women are placed as cheerleaders, now I never seen a NFL male cheerleader, now that can be considered sexiest because men have the ability to perform cheerleading tasks.
Lets be real here the majority of assaults between a woman and a man, the woman gets the worst end of it. The stats are staggering in comparing men and women when it comes to domestic violence, it is a one-sided story.
If Rihana goes back to Chris Brown then that's her fault if she gets assaulted again. People can control situations they are in, assaults and violence don't just happen out of the blue. If it re-occurs again i would not feel bad for her because she should have known that's not a situation to be in.