bada wrote:well that is the EXACT discussion that the California Supreme court has agreed to hear.... whether it is even valid that the people did get to vote for it.

TMC wrote:

bada wrote:well that is the EXACT discussion that the California Supreme court has agreed to hear.... whether it is even valid that the people did get to vote for it.

Well, the way I see it, it shouldn't. It's the government job to lead by example, and leaning on population to decide something like this is the easy way out for them.

I'm just saying that, if there's a referendum, both positions have to be respected, no matter which one you agree with.

bada wrote:Whether to vote democrat or republican? I will glady respect both sides even though I have strong opinions on which side of the fence I reside.

TMC wrote:

bada wrote:Whether to vote democrat or republican? I will glady respect both sides even though I have strong opinions on which side of the fence I reside.

And what if somebody considers voting one particular side as fundamentally wrong?. Wouldn't they have to respect the position of the other side?. I know it doesn't have the same consequences, but I'm not ready to deny somebody their right to vote as long as there's a referendum about anything.

That's what's wrong with referendums. The way I see it, the less we vote, the better. It should just be a measure of control of our government, and not a resource to justify a policital stance.

"Always" Next wrote:This is an issue that will continue burning for a long time. The main issue is that you should not be able to vote the rights of a group of people away.

"Always" Next wrote:Gays are part of our society, they are part of humanity and they should be afforded the same rights as the rest of us. If 2 people want to get married, as long as the union is consentual, then it should be allowed.

Mr. Crackerz wrote:watch this video on Prop 8 done by hollywood.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/c0cf50 ... hida-jones

xbay wrote:What exactly compares Obama to the likes of FDR, Kennedy, and Lincoln? I can see it somewhat, but I just can't seem to put it together.

United States military interrogators often blast music at detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay as forms of torture. According to the British law group Reprieve, the top songs used include 3 tracks from Eminem including "Kim," "The Real Slim Shady" and "White America." Legendary rappers Dr Dre and Tupac made the list along with rockers Aerosmith, Rage Against The Machine, Metallica and Nine Inch Nails.

Artists are now fightings back. On the 60th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, musicians are uniting to join the Zero db (zero decibels = silence), a project launched today by Reprieve, a charity representing over 30 prisoners in Guantanamo Bay. I suggest that they level Guantanamo Bay, but they keep one small cell and they put Bush in there ... and they blast some Rage Against The Machine," Tom Morello said, the guitarist for band. For more infomation, visit www.ZeroDB.org

Music Used By Military For Torture

• AC/DC - Hell's Bells
• AC/DC - Shoot to Thrill
• Aerosmith
• Barney the Purple Dinosaur - theme tune
• Bee Gees - Stayin' Alive
• Britney Spears
• Bruce Springsteen - Born in the USA
• Christina Aguilera - Dirrty
• David Gray - Babylon
• Deicide - **** Your God
• Don McLean - American Pie
• Dope - Die MF Die
• Dope - Take Your Best Shot
• Dr. Dre
• Drowning Pools - Bodies
• Eminem - Kim
• Eminem - Slim Shady
• Eminem - White America
• Li'l Kim
• Limp Bizkit
• Matchbox Twenty - Gold
• Meat Loaf
• Metallica - Enter Sandman
• Neil Diamond - America
• Nine Inch Nails - March of the Pigs
• Nine Inch Nails - Mr. Self-Destruct
• Prince - Raspberry Beret
• Queen - We are The Champions
• Rage Against the Machine - Killing in the Name Of
• Red Hot Chilli Peppers
• Saliva - Click Click Boom
• Sesame Street - theme tune
• Tupac - All Eyes on Me