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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:37 pm
Mullin's offseason has been awful so far and he has not attained a star PF. Shawn Marion is a great player but Phoenix has looked to move him the last two years more than once. Suns really wanted to get KG but couldn't do it, much like Mullin. The Warriors need rebounding and defense most of all and need a PF that provides that while still being able to score some. The Suns have traded away future draft picks like mad the last couple of years and would love to get good young players, especially young bigs.


Trade Proposal:

Warriors trade Harrington, BWright, O'bryant and Foyle to Suns for Marion and Banks.


Mullin would finally have solved the rebounding and defense by getting Marion who can score very well as well. Getting Banks would solve the backup PG problem also.

Suns may see BWright as a future star PF and even an instant contributor next to Amare and Nash. Harrington does many things offensively as well as Marion and so would fit well in the Suns style. O'bryant would be a backup (if they see him as a viable one) and Foyle is added for salary to work in the trade.

Mullin has added Croshere (not a good PF but anyway) and could resign Powell or look for another bench PF if he thinks he needs to.


Lineups:

Warriors:
PG - Baron/Banks/Monta
SG - Monta/Belinelli/Azu
SF - SJackson/Barnes?
PF - Marion/Croshere/Powell?
C - Biedrins/Croshere/Kosta

Suns:
PG - Nash/Barbosa
SG - Bell/GHill/Piatkowski
SF - Diaw/Harrington/GHill
PF - Harrington/BWright
C - Amare/BWright/Marks


Suns get even more talented and they need more players to round off the roster. Suns get two bigs that can run and gun.

Warriors get their rebounder to put alongside Biedrins. Marion can run and gun, shoot from the outside, almost do it all
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:41 am
Hey, it might even work for Phoenix if they like Wright... still, I doubt any trade between those two teams can happen. Trades inside the division do not happen often (actually, the only big trade between division rivals I can remember is the Carter to NJ trade).
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:08 am
All that really matters is filling team needs and this does that for both teams. You play most teams about the same amount of times in the same conference (3-4) and the teams in the other conference almost as many times (2) so it is not a huge factor
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:33 am
migya wrote:it is not a huge factor


Believe me, it is. There's no way Minny would have traded KG to a division rival, as there's no way Kobe gets traded to a division rival.

Of course, the lesser the name, the more likely it becomes, but it's still extremely unlikely when we're talking about All Stars.
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migya wrote:it is not a huge factor


Believe me, it is. There's no way Minny would have traded KG to a division rival, as there's no way Kobe gets traded to a division rival.

Of course, the lesser the name, the more likely it becomes, but it's still extremely unlikely when we're talking about All Stars.



Yet McHale was more than willing to trade Garnett to the Suns, a fellow Western Conference team. Barkley ws traded from Phoenix to Houston abotu a decade ago as well. The most important thing is improving your team
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migya wrote:Yet McHale was more than willing to trade Garnett to the Suns, a fellow Western Conference team. Barkley ws traded from Phoenix to Houston abotu a decade ago as well. The most important thing is improving your team


But the Suns are not a division rival... we're talking about divisions here, not conference.
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migya wrote:Yet McHale was more than willing to trade Garnett to the Suns, a fellow Western Conference team. Barkley ws traded from Phoenix to Houston abotu a decade ago as well. The most important thing is improving your team


But the Suns are not a division rival... we're talking about divisions here, not conference.



You play them about the same number of times as you do other West teams so there is no real difference
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migya wrote:You play them about the same number of times as you do other West teams so there is no real difference


There's a difference. You're playing for the division title against them, and it's a lot easier to win that division if you don't improve your rivals teams. Not everything is about winning the NBA title. For example, a GM that has won multiple division titles will have it easier to find a new job than another one without those titles.
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migya wrote:You play them about the same number of times as you do other West teams so there is no real difference


There's a difference. You're playing for the division title against them, and it's a lot easier to win that division if you don't improve your rivals teams. Not everything is about winning the NBA title. For example, a GM that has won multiple division titles will have it easier to find a new job than another one without those titles.



That plays some sort of a factor but it is not worth much compared to making your team better. Unless there issome sort of money bonus for winning the division, there is no reason not to trade with a division rival
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:57 am
migya wrote:Mullin's offseason has been awful so far and he has not attained a star PF. Shawn Marion is a great player but Phoenix has looked to move him the last two years more than once. Suns really wanted to get KG but couldn't do it, much like Mullin. The Warriors need rebounding and defense most of all and need a PF that provides that while still being able to score some. The Suns have traded away future draft picks like mad the last couple of years and would love to get good young players, especially young bigs.


Trade Proposal:

Warriors trade Harrington, BWright, O'bryant and Foyle to Suns for Marion and Banks.


Mullin would finally have solved the rebounding and defense by getting Marion who can score very well as well. Getting Banks would solve the backup PG problem also.

Suns may see BWright as a future star PF and even an instant contributor next to Amare and Nash. Harrington does many things offensively as well as Marion and so would fit well in the Suns style. O'bryant would be a backup (if they see him as a viable one) and Foyle is added for salary to work in the trade.

Mullin has added Croshere (not a good PF but anyway) and could resign Powell or look for another bench PF if he thinks he needs to.


Lineups:

Warriors:
PG - Baron/Banks/Monta
SG - Monta/Belinelli/Azu
SF - SJackson/Barnes?
PF - Marion/Croshere/Powell?
C - Biedrins/Croshere/Kosta

Suns:
PG - Nash/Barbosa
SG - Bell/GHill/Piatkowski
SF - Diaw/Harrington/GHill
PF - Harrington/BWright
C - Amare/BWright/Marks


Suns get even more talented and they need more players to round off the roster. Suns get two bigs that can run and gun.

Warriors get their rebounder to put alongside Biedrins. Marion can run and gun, shoot from the outside, almost do it all



You really want Croshere as our 2nd string pf and c? Basing this on how much you hate him? :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:28 pm
migya wrote:Mullin's offseason has been awful so far and he has not attained a star PF.


I dont think everyone here agrees that the offseason has been horrible. Ya we may be set back about a year, but over the long run I believe that this team will be substantially better than the team we had at the end of the season.

The Suns have traded away future draft picks like mad the last couple of years and would love to get good young players, especially young bigs.


Uhh what? What makes you think they want young bigs who are a year or two away from being big time contributors. I think thats the reason why they have been trading away their picks, is because they want people who can contribute right away. Steve Nash isn't getting any younger and by trading Marion away for B-Wright they would basiacally be taking themselves out of the title hunt this year, and seeing how nash is already 31 you never know if hes gonna last another year.


Suns get even more talented and they need more players to round off the roster. Suns get two bigs that can run and gun.


Yes they get two bigs that can run with them, but in my opinion Harrington/BWright is a downgrade from Marion.

Finally I doubt that Marion is being shopped, hes one of the suns Big Three and hes also probably one of the to 15 or 20 players in the league.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:32 pm
you do realize that Marion is a SF not a PF right?

I understand that the W's play people out of position all the time but just wanted to point out that he is a SF, not a PF
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In small ball, he plays pf. If he was on the Warriors, he would spend time at both, but more of PF.
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badabing8888 wrote:you do realize that Marion is a SF not a PF right?

I understand that the W's play people out of position all the time but just wanted to point out that he is a SF, not a PF


He's been playing PF in a system quite similar to ours for years now. On most teams he would be an SF but he rebounds like a PF and can guard most PFs so I see no problem playing him at the four for us. Heck, he's bulkier than Barnes and Pietrus isn't he? They played a lot of 4 for us.
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badabing8888 wrote:you do realize that Marion is a SF not a PF right?

I understand that the W's play people out of position all the time but just wanted to point out that he is a SF, not a PF


He's been playing PF in a system quite similar to ours for years now. On most teams he would be an SF but he rebounds like a PF and can guard most PFs so I see no problem playing him at the four for us. Heck, he's bulkier than Barnes and Pietrus isn't he? They played a lot of 4 for us.



That's right, Marion has been a PF for years and rebounds better than most players there is
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