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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:12 am
I see Baron as having superstar potential but can't see him ever reaching that level. Doubt he will play as good as he did last season, especially in the playoffs, again but hope he does
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:12 am
sfsfsfgiants wrote::shock: Sounds like you're a Dirk fan. :wink:

I love Dirk Nowitski.

He's a choker. He's always been a choker. He's the new generation's Chris Webber; the guy with mountains of talent who doesn't wanna take the big shot and can't stand pressure. That means, no matter how many wrongful MVP's they give him, no matter how many wins his stacked team racks up, no matter how much media his dogshit owner generates: Dirk will never be among the upper elite of the league. Guys like Kobe, Gilbert, and Baron (who live to ice that game-winner) piss on people like Dirk Nowitski.

We saw it in round one. There's the semi-stars who have great numbers but lack that killer instinct. Like Dirk. And then there are the players who refuse to let their teams lose. Like Baron.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:32 am
He did come up big in Game 5 versus the team :wink:
Truth is he steps up but chokes sometimes as well
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:07 am
Game 5 is one thing. Game 6 was even more crucial.

Facing elimination, Dirk choked and went 2-for-13, missing all 6 of his 3-pointers. If it were for Dirk's free throws, he'd have ended the game with 4 points.

Thats a fuckin disgraceful performance for the season MVP on a 67-win team that went to the NBA Finals the year prior. There's no excuse for that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:40 pm
He definately isn't as consistent in big games as other superstars and deserves the criticism for that. I think he was more of a scorer some three and four years ago when he scored over 30 points many times a season
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:08 am
Nowitzki was and will always be an all star. Not a superstar, an all star. He can shoot, he can play on the block also. But he cannot win. 32 said it... he's a choker. He's choked in big time situations all his life. Instead of whining about the refs calling everything for Wade, how about him doing something about it? No matter what, Dirk will always be known as a good, but not great player. Now if he starts becoming clutch, wins some rings, and FINALLY steps up... we can talk.
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Nowitzki has always been the best player on a loaded Dallas team. He was their best when they rose up from being real bad and is a superstar, just not as much as most superstars are, especially stepping up when he could have perhaps taken his team to championships. In fairness to him, he always had Duncan and Robinson of the Spurs in front of him, as well as now the Phoenix machine. Sacremento was loaded a few years ago when they had Webber and Divac also. The Heat were on a mission with Shaq, Mourning, Payton and Walker looking for a championship and Wade becoming a superstar
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migya wrote:Nowitzki has always been the best player on a loaded Dallas team. He was their best when they rose up from being real bad and is a superstar, just not as much as most superstars are, especially stepping up when he could have perhaps taken his team to championships. In fairness to him, he always had Duncan and Robinson of the Spurs in front of him, as well as now the Phoenix machine. Sacremento was loaded a few years ago when they had Webber and Divac also. The Heat were on a mission with Shaq, Mourning, Payton and Walker looking for a championship and Wade becoming a superstar


Nash and Finley were all stars at the time. Finley wasn't as washed up as he is now and Nash wasn't worth MVP over guys like Shaq in his prime just yet. There might've been a team blocking his path, but a player like him shouldn't have to play like crap and whine about it.
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migya wrote:Nowitzki has always been the best player on a loaded Dallas team. He was their best when they rose up from being real bad and is a superstar, just not as much as most superstars are, especially stepping up when he could have perhaps taken his team to championships. In fairness to him, he always had Duncan and Robinson of the Spurs in front of him, as well as now the Phoenix machine. Sacremento was loaded a few years ago when they had Webber and Divac also. The Heat were on a mission with Shaq, Mourning, Payton and Walker looking for a championship and Wade becoming a superstar


Nash and Finley were all stars at the time. Finley wasn't as washed up as he is now and Nash wasn't worth MVP over guys like Shaq in his prime just yet. There might've been a team blocking his path, but a player like him shouldn't have to play like crap and whine about it.



My point is that he's not that bad and didn't exactly make his team just average. Nowitzki is responsible for most of Dallas' success (more than any other at least) and is a star. He could have been more mature in the series against the Heat
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migya wrote:Nowitzki has always been the best player on a loaded Dallas team. He was their best when they rose up from being real bad and is a superstar, just not as much as most superstars are, especially stepping up when he could have perhaps taken his team to championships. In fairness to him, he always had Duncan and Robinson of the Spurs in front of him, as well as now the Phoenix machine. Sacremento was loaded a few years ago when they had Webber and Divac also. The Heat were on a mission with Shaq, Mourning, Payton and Walker looking for a championship and Wade becoming a superstar


Nash and Finley were all stars at the time. Finley wasn't as washed up as he is now and Nash wasn't worth MVP over guys like Shaq in his prime just yet. There might've been a team blocking his path, but a player like him shouldn't have to play like crap and whine about it.



My point is that he's not that bad and didn't exactly make his team just average. Nowitzki is responsible for most of Dallas' success (more than any other at least) and is a star. He could have been more mature in the series against the Heat


I agree that he's not that bad. If it weren't for Nelson, Nowitzki would've been a "Who that?" in the league. Remember, it was Nelson that requested a trade to bring in Dirk from Milwaukee after a miserable rookie season. I know Yi sucks, but it gets me wondering... if he could bring out the best of a terrible rookie, then what can he do with Jianlian? I think of Yi as a garbage time player. I'm not saying we should trade for Yi, I'm just saying I'd wonder what Nelson could bring out of the kid.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:08 am
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migya wrote:
xbaywarrior wrote:
migya wrote:Nowitzki has always been the best player on a loaded Dallas team. He was their best when they rose up from being real bad and is a superstar, just not as much as most superstars are, especially stepping up when he could have perhaps taken his team to championships. In fairness to him, he always had Duncan and Robinson of the Spurs in front of him, as well as now the Phoenix machine. Sacremento was loaded a few years ago when they had Webber and Divac also. The Heat were on a mission with Shaq, Mourning, Payton and Walker looking for a championship and Wade becoming a superstar


Nash and Finley were all stars at the time. Finley wasn't as washed up as he is now and Nash wasn't worth MVP over guys like Shaq in his prime just yet. There might've been a team blocking his path, but a player like him shouldn't have to play like crap and whine about it.



My point is that he's not that bad and didn't exactly make his team just average. Nowitzki is responsible for most of Dallas' success (more than any other at least) and is a star. He could have been more mature in the series against the Heat


I agree that he's not that bad. If it weren't for Nelson, Nowitzki would've been a "Who that?" in the league. Remember, it was Nelson that requested a trade to bring in Dirk from Milwaukee after a miserable rookie season. I know Yi sucks, but it gets me wondering... if he could bring out the best of a terrible rookie, then what can he do with Jianlian? I think of Yi as a garbage time player. I'm not saying we should trade for Yi, I'm just saying I'd wonder what Nelson could bring out of the kid.



Nowitzki was always going to be a star, he just happened to land with Nelson who let him do what he does best and take to his strengths. Yi is no Dirk, never will be but maybe he could be reasonable with a coach like Nelson.

Don't want him though :wink:
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migya wrote:Nowitzki has always been the best player on a loaded Dallas team. He was their best when they rose up from being real bad and is a superstar, just not as much as most superstars are, especially stepping up when he could have perhaps taken his team to championships. In fairness to him, he always had Duncan and Robinson of the Spurs in front of him, as well as now the Phoenix machine. Sacremento was loaded a few years ago when they had Webber and Divac also. The Heat were on a mission with Shaq, Mourning, Payton and Walker looking for a championship and Wade becoming a superstar

There's no way you can argue Nowitski didn't have ample help surrounding him to make a run for an NBA title. His Maverick squad in 2004 that featured Antawn Jamison, Antoine Walker, Steve Nash, Josh Howard, and Mickael Finley were among the most loaded lineups of all-time. Nothing the Spurs, Heat, or Suns have had ever surpassed what Don Nelson built in Dallas.

Nowitski and Nash share 3 MVP awards. Name another lineup that does that.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:57 am
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migya wrote:Nowitzki has always been the best player on a loaded Dallas team. He was their best when they rose up from being real bad and is a superstar, just not as much as most superstars are, especially stepping up when he could have perhaps taken his team to championships. In fairness to him, he always had Duncan and Robinson of the Spurs in front of him, as well as now the Phoenix machine. Sacremento was loaded a few years ago when they had Webber and Divac also. The Heat were on a mission with Shaq, Mourning, Payton and Walker looking for a championship and Wade becoming a superstar

There's no way you can argue Nowitski didn't have ample help surrounding him to make a run for an NBA title. His Maverick squad in 2004 that featured Antawn Jamison, Antoine Walker, Steve Nash, Josh Howard, and Mickael Finley were among the most loaded lineups of all-time. Nothing the Spurs, Heat, or Suns have had ever surpassed what Don Nelson built in Dallas.

Nowitski and Nash share 3 MVP awards. Name another lineup that does that.




That loaded Dallas team which had Walker and Jamison was silly, they were never going to be able to keep that team together and were never going to be anything, too many SFs and no real Center of any kind as they had Fortson at starting Center. Too many shooters and not enough shots to go around.

Nash was always a top 10 PG while in Dallas but never got anywhere near the MVP, not even close. He is much better now than he was in Dallas.

Nowitzki had talent around him but not as much as most people think since after Nash and Finley, two allstar caliber players, there was role players and none were established. The likes of Bradley and LaFrentz were not going to make it happen
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32 wrote:Nowitski and Nash share 3 MVP awards. Name another lineup that does that.
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32 wrote:Nowitski and Nash share 3 MVP awards. Name another lineup that does that.



Name the year that the Mavericks had those two with 3 MVPs between them. Actually, name the year they had 1 MVP between them :wink:
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