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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:41 am

TMC wrote:
Nash, BDavis (When he's healthy), JKidd, Chris Paul, Billips, Parker, White Chocolate, Ridnoir, Cassell, Terry, and Hinrich all rank in front of him for me... hell, I'd probably still put Francis and Marbury in front of him (if they weren't on the same damn team). I don't think Andre Miller's THAT good...

From that list, I'd only rate above Miller the following:

Nash
Davis (IF healthy and motivated)
Cassell
Billups
Kidd
Paul

And that's it. I think Hinrich is on a similar level, and the others are worse than Miller. Ridnour can't defend, and is a streaky shooter, Terry is on and off (although he comes from probably his best season ever, but I want to see more), Parker is a better scorer, but I don't think he's a better pg, Marbury and Francis, ... well, they have the talent to be better players, but don't play up to that talent.

And, finally, White Chocolate... sucks. He shouldn't be a starter in the NBA.

ON THE MONEY!!!!!!!!

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:12 am

From that list, I'd only rate above Miller the following:

Nash
Davis (IF healthy and motivated)
Cassell
Billups
Kidd
Paul

And that's it. I think Hinrich is on a similar level, and the others are worse than Miller. Ridnour can't defend, and is a streaky shooter, Terry is on and off (although he comes from probably his best season ever, but I want to see more), Parker is a better scorer, but I don't think he's a better pg, Marbury and Francis, ... well, they have the talent to be better players, but don't play up to that talent.

And, finally, White Chocolate... sucks. He shouldn't be a starter in the NBA.

I disagree; Hinrich, Terry, and Parker are head and shoulders above Miller. Andre Miller can't defend, either... and the fact that he can't score doesn't make him "a better point guard"; it just gives him less weapons. I'd say Ridnoir and Williams are probably around his level... I'd rank them above him (because Ridnoir's more of an all-around threat... and Williams is practically Andre Miller with more flash), but opinions are opinions.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:22 am

Miller can't shoot to save his life. I give you that. But he's way better at being a real pg than other on that list (Tony Parker, Terry or Jason Williams), and his defense is better than you think. He's not Gary Payton on his prime, but he's pretty good at everything, except shooting.

He's 30, tho, and that would move some of the players on that list above him. I didn't think about that while answering your post.

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tHe_pEsTiLeNcE tHe_pEsTiLeNcE's Profile tHe_pEsTiLeNcE's Website All Star Posts: 2558 Joined: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:53 am Location: where you aren't Poster Credit: 0	Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:35 pm Andre Miller can't defend, either You tripping? Just because he doesn't get many steals doesn't make him a bad defender. Off the top of my head I can't think of a better deffensive pg than him besides kidd, billups, and duhon
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32 32's Profile Hall of Famer Posts: 13130 Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:03 pm Location: Golden State Poster Credit: 44	Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:16 pm Payton (yes, still), Marcus Banks, Bobby Jax, ect... Miller's an average defender (at best). GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS DIE HARD
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migya migya's Profile Hall of Famer Posts: 20936 Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:50 am Location: Perth Poster Credit: 22	Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:05 pm Andre Miller does everything well and runs a team very well! He would be great next to JRich and Diogu migya make the ring fall on ya
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TMC TMC's Profile Hall of Famer Posts: 18461 Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:48 am Location: Somewhere in this site... Poster Credit: -3	Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:47 pm Payton (yes, still), Marcus Banks, Bobby Jax, ect... I know it's out of context, but I can' help it: MARCUS BANKS SUCKS. PS: I'd rather have Nick Van Exel.
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:33 am

Miller can't shoot to save his life. I give you that. But he's way better at being a real pg than other on that list (Tony Parker, Terry or Jason Williams), and his defense is better than you think. He's not Gary Payton on his prime, but he's pretty good at everything, except shooting.

He's 30, tho, and that would move some of the players on that list above him. I didn't think about that while answering your post.

i pretty much agree with that.

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32 32's Profile Hall of Famer Posts: 13130 Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:03 pm Location: Golden State Poster Credit: 44	Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:09 pm PS: I'd rather have Nick Van Exel. Them's fightin' words... GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS DIE HARD
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:20 pm

YOU PEOPLE AMAZE ME! THERE WAS NO KIND OF EXCITEMENT WITH THE WARRIORS BEFORE BARON ARRIVED AND LAST SEASON THE WARRIORS WERE NATIONALLY TELEVISED NUMEROUS TIMES BECAUSE OF THE EXCITEMENT HE CREATED. YES, HE WAS ONCE AGAIN INJURED LAST YEAR, BUT THAT WAS ONLY HIS FIRST SEASON WITH US. GIVE HIM SOME TIME, GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO GET BACK TO HIS ALL-STAR FORM.

MAN I KNOW WE'VE GIVEN ALOT MORE OTHER PLAYERS MORE TIME TO COME AROUND THAN WE'VE GIVEN BARON....THATS FOR DAMN SURE!

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32 32's Profile Hall of Famer Posts: 13130 Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:03 pm Location: Golden State Poster Credit: 44	Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:31 pm I agree with that... but my limit is one more year. If Baron Davis eats it AGAIN next year (as in plays less than 75 games), I'll be pissed off... and ready for a trade. GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS DIE HARD
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migya migya's Profile Hall of Famer Posts: 20936 Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:50 am Location: Perth Poster Credit: 22	Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:39 pm I give Baron next season only and he MUST be a major factor in making this team at the very least a playoff team! migya make the ring fall on ya
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zero3zero zero3zero's Profile Starting Lineup Posts: 985 Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:53 pm Poster Credit: 0	Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:28 am #32 really likes Banks. Nick da Quick should never be mentioned again, period. BD WILL PLAY 70 GAMES OR MORE (crossing fingers) and as with most fans, I'll give him one more season 2 get his act together. @ his $$, we can get 2 players that (maybe) would be able to penetrate and dish ---*030*---
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TMC TMC's Profile Hall of Famer Posts: 18461 Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:48 am Location: Somewhere in this site... Poster Credit: -3	Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:01 pm Nick da Quick should never be mentioned again, period. I was joking. I hate him, too. Almost as much as I hate Banks.
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32 32's Profile Hall of Famer Posts: 13130 Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:03 pm Location: Golden State Poster Credit: 44	Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:40 pm Banks is a solid player, dammit. One of the few PG's in the league who thrives on in-your-face defense, rather than pesky double teams on big men. Plus, he's got good PG fundamentals (the kid can handle & dish the rock). GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS DIE HARD
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