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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 3:53 pm
I still like Gooden and think he can be a good Western Conference PF. The Cavs need a PG and a secondary scoring option next to Lebron and that could be D Fish. Fish, Hughes, James, Varejao, and Z would be a good line up. For the Warriors, they get an athletic PF who can rebound at both ends of the court, run on the break, and is a solid defender. Has a decent inside game and a nice mid range shot. He's still only 25 years old and his prime years are approaching. A sign and trade would work.

Fish and Taft for Gooden and Luke Jackson would be a good trade for both teams and would give Drew a salary starting at about $6M.

Send Murphy to Milwaukee for Jamal Magloire. Magloire is entering the last year of his contract and the Bucks will be looking for a sweet shooting big man to play alongside Bogut. Rumor has it that the Bucks will pursue Radmonovic but Murphy maybe a better choice and better rebounder. This move is strictly for attaining an expiring contract, but Magloire may pay off on the court as well.


Draft picks:

#9 Shawne Williams

I think he is worth a gamble at #9. He is in the same mold as players like McGrady, James, and Bryant. A 6'9 player that can handle the ball, score, and is a great ball handler. At 21 years old, has a world of potential. Can't afford another Adonal over McGrady or Fuller over Bryant type draft.

#36 Daniel Gibson

Line Up:

PG Davis - Ellis - Gibson
SG Richardson - Pietrus
SF Dunleavy - Williams - Cabarkapa
PF Gooden - Diogu - Foyle
C Magloire - Biedrins - Foyle
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:31 pm
I like this trade... I have a hard time believing the Cav's will go for it. Their current PG (Eric Snow) is a better passing player than Fisher is (and that's the sort of guy they want in their lineup, feeding the ball to LeBron). Plus, the Cav's already have Donyell Marshall and Damon Jones as outside threats off the bench. Adding another pine-bound bench shooter might just take the edge off of their outside game since teams would pay far more attention to the outside. I can't see Cleveland trading their starting power forward (who showed very solid play against the Wizards... including that huge 30 point explosion) for a player that they (ultimately) don't need.

I like the trade... but don't see it happening.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:36 pm
Quite right #32 but a possible trade proposal.

Cavs have no backup PF then and the Warriors would stil have Diogu on the bench or Gooden on the bench which is wrong. Fisher in the Cavs would be alright but they have two PGs already so no point. Magloire is not what the team needs either so Murphy should be traded for someone else.

That Shawne Williams player sure sounds interesting and could end up a productive player so , if the team trades murphy and one of the SF players (Dun, Pietrus, Cabarkapa), there could be space for him.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:41 pm
Cabarkapa will never be a starter at SF, I think the team is beginning to give up on Dunleavy, and Pietrus was disgusting this season. I think they'll exit the draft with a SF (its the best position to go for at our spot).
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 9:49 pm
Good trade proposal. I’d take the Murphy trade, but go with a house-cleaning on the rest, if possible:

1. Murphy for Mcgloire
2. Foyle, Pietrus, plus TWO 2nd round draft picks (’07) for ANY expiring contract
3. Mike Dunleavy and/or Fisher + 1st & 2nd picks (’06) for Artest
(to replace Wells)

..or thereabouts (mix & match with 2 & 3 with some Mullin magic)

Lineup:

PG - Davis – Bynum – Ellis
SG - Richardson – Ellis
SF - Artest – Cheaney + FA
PF - Diogu – Taft – Zarko
C - McGloire – Biedrins – Taft

Again, sure goners: Foyle, Dung, & Murph

There, did we clean the house while still getting better?

All we need is a new coach should Monty hit .500 or lower by the 15 to 20 game mark.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:05 pm
Anonymous wrote:Good trade proposal. I’d take the Murphy trade, but go with a house-cleaning on the rest, if possible:

1. Murphy for Mcgloire
2. Foyle, Pietrus, plus TWO 2nd round draft picks (’07) for ANY expiring contract
3. Mike Dunleavy and/or Fisher + 1st & 2nd picks (’06) for Artest
(to replace Wells)

..or thereabouts (mix & match with 2 & 3 with some Mullin magic)

Lineup:

PG - Davis – Bynum – Ellis
SG - Richardson – Ellis
SF - Artest – Cheaney + FA
PF - Diogu – Taft – Zarko
C - McGloire – Biedrins – Taft

Again, sure goners: Foyle, Dung, & Murph

There, did we clean the house while still getting better?

All we need is a new coach should Monty hit .500 or lower by the 15 to 20 game mark.



The dun and fish for Artest seems good but I don't want Magloire.

Kings would say no anyway
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:13 pm
The Kings wont take Dunleavy and Fisher for Magloire. Think of things from the other person's point of view.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 2:49 am
migya wrote:Cavs have no backup PF then and the Warriors would stil have Diogu on the bench or Gooden on the bench which is wrong.


Varejao. The Cavs would play him at PF, where he belongs, and Fish could be a starter for them, instead of Snow. It would be a good trade for them. As for us... Gooden or Diogu would be backups, so I'd rather go for a SF. The Magliore one could work, but he would have to sign an extension before.

The Artest trade is just wishful thinking...
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 5:59 am
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migya wrote:Cavs have no backup PF then and the Warriors would stil have Diogu on the bench or Gooden on the bench which is wrong.


Varejao. The Cavs would play him at PF, where he belongs, and Fish could be a starter for them, instead of Snow. It would be a good trade for them. As for us... Gooden or Diogu would be backups, so I'd rather go for a SF. The Magliore one could work, but he would have to sign an extension before.

The Artest trade is just wishful thinking...



I meant that the Cavs would have no backup PF after the trade of Gooden for Fisher because Varejao would become starter
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 8:20 am
migya wrote:I meant that the Cavs would have no backup PF after the trade of Gooden for Fisher because Varejao would become starter


This is what happens when you don't pay attention to what you're reading. :wink:

Well, in that case, it wouldn't be that bad. Marshall would have to play the backup pf, and maybe Andriuskeshfsdkhkjsdhtdkfhsdvicius... if he develops nicely, which is a big if.

I still think it would be a decent trade for them.
PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 11:29 am
#32 wrote:I like this trade... I have a hard time believing the Cav's will go for it. Their current PG (Eric Snow) is a better passing player than Fisher is (and that's the sort of guy they want in their lineup, feeding the ball to LeBron). Plus, the Cav's already have Donyell Marshall and Damon Jones as outside threats off the bench. Adding another pine-bound bench shooter might just take the edge off of their outside game since teams would pay far more attention to the outside. I can't see Cleveland trading their starting power forward (who showed very solid play against the Wizards... including that huge 30 point explosion) for a player that they (ultimately) don't need.

I like the trade... but don't see it happening.


D Fish gives the Cavs a veteran leader that has been there and done that. He has hit game winners in final games with the Lakers. He has the rings and knows what it takes. For a young team like the Cavs, that may prove to be a valueable asset to have when the playoffs come around again. He's another player that Lebron can count on to make the big shot. Snow is hardly a solid PG and his minutes have diminished. Jones is an outside shooting specialist but isn't a good starting PG either.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 1:10 pm
Anonymous wrote:D Fish gives the Cavs a veteran leader that has been there and done that. He has hit game winners in final games with the Lakers. He has the rings and knows what it takes...He's another player that Lebron can count on to make the big shot.

And what about that does Eric Snow not have...? He's been to the NBA Finals, he's made some big plays in the playoffs, he's just as solid (if not more) than Derek Fisher. The only edge Fisher has is his shooting touch from the outside... which Cleveland doesn't need because they have Marshall and DJones.

Anonymous wrote:Snow is hardly a solid PG and his minutes have diminished. Jones is an outside shooting specialist but isn't a good starting PG either.

Fisher got more minutes than Snow... and they still averaged the same amount of assists and rebounds. Snow is just a poorer shooter (which is why they made the move to aquire sharp-shooting Damon Jones). Snow is exactly the kind of point that the Cav's want to feed LeBron the ball. Fisher would only take more shots (which isn't what they'd want). There's no reason to aquire somebody when he doesn't further your team at all (especially when he's got the kind of contract Fisher does).

On top of that, they rely heavily on Drew Gooden for inside defense, post offense, and rebounding. Gooden led the Cav's in both rebounding and field goal percentage. He's a very key part of their lineup. They wont give him away for something they don't need (like Fisher and some could-be rookie).

This trade gets the red light.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 8:08 pm
TMC wrote:
migya wrote:I meant that the Cavs would have no backup PF after the trade of Gooden for Fisher because Varejao would become starter


This is what happens when you don't pay attention to what you're reading. :wink:

Well, in that case, it wouldn't be that bad. Marshall would have to play the backup pf, and maybe Andriuskeshfsdkhkjsdhtdkfhsdvicius... if he develops nicely, which is a big if.

I still think it would be a decent trade for them.



That And*$%^&* or whatever his name is would have to develop or they'd have to get another backup PF somehow.

This trade is just not good for the Warriors because Gooden is probably not good and likely won't be happy off the banch. I'd rather have Marshall as he adds some outside shooting, gets paid slightly less next season, is signed for longer (Gooden is freeagent after next season) and he may fit in better.

Murphy has to go anyway but I'd rather trade him to a possible lottery team for a 1st round pick in a years or two. Seems a bit cheap and I'm all for getting more for him but right now Diogu needs to get the starting spot and holding out for too long to trade Murphy might result in him staying
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 9:47 pm
migya wrote:This trade is just not good for the Warriors because Gooden is probably not good and likely won't be happy off the banch. I'd rather have Marshall as he adds some outside shooting, gets paid slightly less next season, is signed for longer (Gooden is freeagent after next season) and he may fit in better.

If you don't think Murphy fits well in the offense, why do you think Marshall will be any better? He's nothing but a 3-point shooter (without Murphy's rebounding numbers). Besides, Marshall would probably end up at starting power forward rather than backup power forward by the season's end. He's a better player than either Dunleavy or Pietrus and his natural position is SF.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 3:06 am
#32 wrote:If you don't think Murphy fits well in the offense, why do you think Marshall will be any better? He's nothing but a 3-point shooter (without Murphy's rebounding numbers).


Maybe because he gets paid half what Murph does? :wink:

Nah. I agree. Pretty similar players. Good shooters, no defense, and Marshall is a (far) worse rebounder with a more palatable contract. Pick your poison.
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