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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:07 pm
rather than having to skim the various threads in "Warriors Basketball" and "Trades" in search of info, why not have one place specifically devoted to news? makes it easier for people to quickly get up to date.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:17 am
Nothing new just Adam's opinion on a POSSIBLE trade.

on June 29th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Adam Lauridsen of SJ mercury news wrote:The Warriors are fond of repeating their mistakes. The rumored trade for Amare Stoudemire would be just another example of the team’s lack of creativity when it comes to poor decision making. Last summer Baron Davis defected to LA and left the team desperate to land a big name player. Arenas and Brand said no to Cohan’s millions, but Corey Maggette said yes. Fans just spent the last year regretting the decision. This summer, with the team scrambling to maintain fan loyalty after another lost season, the pressure is even greater to deliver a star-caliber player capable of restoring faith (and ticket sales). Although the Stoudemire extension and trade wouldn’t be as big a mistake as the Maggette signing, there are plenty of less-than-flattering comparisons to consider when evaluating the move.

Here are five areas to consider when evaluating the move, based largely on what went wrong with the Maggette deal:

Team needs — Last summer the Warriors needed a replacement point guard, a real power forward and improved defense. Corey Maggette answered none of these needs. Arguably, he made them all worse — killing ball movement, giving Nellie a smaller mismatch option at PF that displaced Randolph and Wright in the rotation, and playing defense only Jamal Crawford could love. This summer, we’ve solved our power forward issues with Randolph’s development and have a potential point guard fix in Curry, but still need to improve dramatically our team defense. Stoudemire does nothing to solve our defensive problems — and like Maggette, probably makes things work. If Nelson plays him out of position at center, we lose our best remaining defensive player in Turiaf. If Nelson plays him at his true position, power forward, we lose minutes for the only reason most people still care about this franchise, Anthony Randolph. You can argue we have a need for low post scoring — although Nelson’s teams have always favored slashing and jump shooting over post offense and have made no effort to develop their post players. Assuming we have such a need, it’s not clear that Amare would meet it all that well given his gradually increasing reliance on his jump shot (don’t take my word for it — check out 82games.com, which lists 55% of Amare’s shots as jumpers). Most of Amare’s inside points come from put-backs and dump-off passes — two areas Biedrins and Randolph had adequately covered last season. The end result, as with Maggette, is a player that duplicates our current strengths while potentially making our weaknesses even worse.

Talent displacement — If we learned one thing from the 08-09 season, it was that Nelson would go to great lengths to play his veterans ahead of Randolph, Wright, and even Biedrins in the low post. For the first two-thirds of the season we saw Maggette, Azubuike and even Jackson on occasion at power forward. The results were rarely impressive, but Nelson repeatedly returned to his one big man line-up. Adding Maggette to the line-up didn’t occur in a vacuum. His addition caused a minute squeeze, with the players arguably in the best position to help the Warriors in the future losing out. With Amare, Nelson would gain a veteran big who can score. The team wouldn’t be giving him max money to ride the bench, so I’d expect his minutes to be heavy (and considerably greater than Andris’ playing time last year). With Stoudemire pulling major minutes at center, however, we have no reason to believe Nelson would suddenly back away from his one big man approach. Maggette, Azubuike and Jackson would still be on the team. We’ve added two guards — Law and Curry — who are likely to see time in the rotation. It’s not at all hard to imagine a Stoudemire-led team where Randolph and Turiaf are getting fewer minutes than they did to close the 08-09 season. Under this reading of Nelson’s habits, the Stoudemire move doesn’t help us become a more balanced team. It only helps Nelson roll out a more offensively potent small-ball line-up. Of course, that approach may make the Warriors a better team than they were in 08-09 (setting the bar low here), but the pro-Amare partisans out there should consider the possibility that the trade could enable Nelson in his small ball tendencies and result in Randolph once again spending heavy minutes on the bench.

Ball movement — Corey Maggette came to the Warriors with a reputation for being a black hole. His play early in the season did nothing the shake that stigma. Adjusted for 36 minutes of play, Maggette average 2.1 assists. Amare? Adjusted for the same 36 minutes, he managed just 1.9 assists. The Warriors suffered greatly last year from the lack of ball movement with two of the best three point shooters in the league not getting consistent touches behind the arc. The downside to selfish play is even greater this year with another excellent shooter, Curry, likely joining Morrow and Azubuike in the rotation. The team still has no clearly floor general directing traffic, so ball movement will depend on guys looking for the extra pass and open man, allowing for easy buckets. Stoudemire is infamous in Phoenix for his almost singular devotion to shooting or going to the basket once he sets his mind on it, open teammates or double teams be damned. Like Maggette, the aggressiveness often leads to trips to the line. But also like Maggette, it gums up the team’s offense and can lead to costly turnovers when he’s guarded by a solid defender or the calls aren’t going his way. So, if you’re excited about the offensive potential of Ellis, Morrow, and Curry in a newly vitalized drive-and-kick offense, don’t get your hopes up with Amare. There will be plenty of driving (or shooting), but not much kicking.

Injury history — Corey Maggette also came to the Warriors with a reputation for being fragile. Once again, he lived up to his history in the league with an assortment of injuries keeping him out of 31 games. Stoudemire eventually bounced back from the micro-fracture surgery, but racked up another potentially chronic and career threatening injury last year with his detached retina. Micro-fracture surgery has improved since the days of Jamal Mashburn and Alan Houston, but there’s still considerable risk of re-injuring the knee. Zach Randolph, former poster boy for microfracutre recovery, missed extended time this season with soreness in his left knee, the same one that was operated on in 2005. Since the surgery is relatively new, there’s simply not much information on how a repaired knee will hold up through the roughly 400 games we’d be signing Amare to play on a five-year contract. There are injury risks with all players. Amare for 60 games a season is a lot better than many players for 82, but as with Maggette we’d need to go into the contract with our eyes open regarding the potentially catastrophic risks.

Team chemistry — When the Warriors played the Celtics this season, Kevin Garnett allegedly made a crack about how Maggette was only out to get his numbers. It wasn’t the first time Corey had heard the “me-first” criticism. And while his stats were impressive during his days with the Clippers, they weren’t impressive enough for the team to fight to keep his services. By all accounts Maggette is a perfectly nice guy and a friend in the locker room to younger players like Anthony Morrow. He is not, however, someone who makes his teammates better through his play on the court, enabling them to play their best games. Stoudemire’s rocky relationship with the Suns stems not only from such lack of on-the-court chemistry (the man’s nickname is “Stat,” if you had any doubts as to his interests), but also from locker room drama not present with Maggette. Amare has developed a reputation for being tough to coach, provided inconsistent effort and pouted when things haven’t gone his way. Sounds like a perfect match for Nelson — and a great influence on our roster full of impressionable youngsters. We can argue in circles all day long about the statistical impact of swapping Andris for Amare, but there’s little argument I can see when it comes to the intangibles. And just because those intangibles don’t get recorded by the official scorer doesn’t mean they don’t have a large impact on a team’s performance under pressure, when it matters the most.

Ultimately, the Amare trade is a closer call than the Maggette signing because Stoudemire is a better player. Just as the Warriors were arguably better this season with Maggette getting some minutes than if they hadn’t had his production at all, the Warriors with Amare should win a few more games in the immediate future than if they didn’t have him. But fixating on small gains in the immediate future is exactly the type of short-sighted reasoning that has led Cohan and company into the same mess year after year. Swapping Biedrins for Stoudemire doesn’t help the Warriors in the areas the areas of most significant need (point guard play, defense), poses a significant risk of stifling the “internal development” we usually hear so much about during the off-season, doesn’t get us a stand-alone star capable of elevating the play of his teammates (Amare has only won with Nash, Marion or Shaq playing leading roles), and will kill our flexibility for the long-term to make a move if/when a real difference maker, addressing our real needs, becomes available.

Warriors fans are understandably suspicious of being patient, given our history of waiting only to get nothing in return. The roster as it stands today, however, has more young talent locked up for the foreseeable future than any Warriors’ squad since RUN-TMC and Webber. To my eyes, that talent simply needs this year (and probably a new coach) to turn the corner into a perenial playoff threat. The decision to blow this team apart for a questionable win-now acquisition like Stoudemire simply because we’re tired of being patient is precisely the type of move we’ve bemoaned in the past and blamed for keeping the franchise from becoming a consistent winner. Simply because the team needs change does not mean that any change is in the team’s long-term interests. We made that mistake with Corey Maggette — and we’re about to make it again.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:27 am
Adam Lauridsen of SJ mercury news wrote:The Warriors are fond of repeating their mistakes. The rumored trade for Amare Stoudemire would be just another example of the team’s lack of creativity when it comes to poor decision making. Last summer Baron Davis defected to LA and left the team desperate to land a big name player. Arenas and Brand said no to Cohan’s millions, but Corey Maggette said yes. Fans just spent the last year regretting the decision.


I'm not a pro Maggette on this team supporter, but I will say this; The team would have been worse if either Arenas or Brand had signed here and not Maggette. Maggette was injured a fair bit, but Brand was more and Arenas didn't even play last season and both were offered much more expensive contracts than Maggette!

Nice start to this little article


Adam Lauridsen of SJ mercury news wrote:Team needs — Last summer the Warriors needed a replacement point guard, a real power forward and improved defense. Corey Maggette answered none of these needs. Arguably, he made them all worse — killing ball movement, giving Nellie a smaller mismatch option at PF that displaced Randolph and Wright in the rotation, and playing defense only Jamal Crawford could love. This summer, we’ve solved our power forward issues with Randolph’s development and have a potential point guard fix in Curry, but still need to improve dramatically our team defense. Stoudemire does nothing to solve our defensive problems — and like Maggette, probably makes things work. If Nelson plays him out of position at center, we lose our best remaining defensive player in Turiaf. If Nelson plays him at his true position, power forward, we lose minutes for the only reason most people still care about this franchise, Anthony Randolph. You can argue we have a need for low post scoring — although Nelson’s teams have always favored slashing and jump shooting over post offense and have made no effort to develop their post players. Assuming we have such a need, it’s not clear that Amare would meet it all that well given his gradually increasing reliance on his jump shot (don’t take my word for it — check out 82games.com, which lists 55% of Amare’s shots as jumpers). Most of Amare’s inside points come from put-backs and dump-off passes — two areas Biedrins and Randolph had adequately covered last season. The end result, as with Maggette, is a player that duplicates our current strengths while potentially making our weaknesses even worse.


Firstly, (the part I bolded) AR is no sure thing yet, even moreso Curry and Amare is a good defender, sometimes average, sometimes real good. Biedrins is no great defender himself, so no major difference really.

Amare has always been a great scorer, inside and midrange even. To say anything about the offensehe brings makes it sound like we have a great scorer inside already, which do not!


Adam Lauridsen of SJ mercury news wrote:Talent displacement — If we learned one thing from the 08-09 season, it was that Nelson would go to great lengths to play his veterans ahead of Randolph, Wright, and even Biedrins in the low post. For the first two-thirds of the season we saw Maggette, Azubuike and even Jackson on occasion at power forward. The results were rarely impressive, but Nelson repeatedly returned to his one big man line-up. Adding Maggette to the line-up didn’t occur in a vacuum. His addition caused a minute squeeze, with the players arguably in the best position to help the Warriors in the future losing out. With Amare, Nelson would gain a veteran big who can score. The team wouldn’t be giving him max money to ride the bench, so I’d expect his minutes to be heavy (and considerably greater than Andris’ playing time last year). With Stoudemire pulling major minutes at center, however, we have no reason to believe Nelson would suddenly back away from his one big man approach. Maggette, Azubuike and Jackson would still be on the team. We’ve added two guards — Law and Curry — who are likely to see time in the rotation. It’s not at all hard to imagine a Stoudemire-led team where Randolph and Turiaf are getting fewer minutes than they did to close the 08-09 season. Under this reading of Nelson’s habits, the Stoudemire move doesn’t help us become a more balanced team. It only helps Nelson roll out a more offensively potent small-ball line-up. Of course, that approach may make the Warriors a better team than they were in 08-09 (setting the bar low here), but the pro-Amare partisans out there should consider the possibility that the trade could enable Nelson in his small ball tendencies and result in Randolph once again spending heavy minutes on the bench.


Nelson likes to play his veterans a heck of alot, as we saw last season and the season before. What makes anyone think he'll change this time! Chances are he'll play AR a little bit more than he did last season and will play Curry hardly at all. Getting great proven players is what Nelson likes and the best thing is to have the best six/seven players you can, as that is who Nelson is going to go most of the time with


Adam Lauridsen of SJ mercury news wrote:Ball movement — Corey Maggette came to the Warriors with a reputation for being a black hole. His play early in the season did nothing the shake that stigma. Adjusted for 36 minutes of play, Maggette average 2.1 assists. Amare? Adjusted for the same 36 minutes, he managed just 1.9 assists. The Warriors suffered greatly last year from the lack of ball movement with two of the best three point shooters in the league not getting consistent touches behind the arc. The downside to selfish play is even greater this year with another excellent shooter, Curry, likely joining Morrow and Azubuike in the rotation. The team still has no clearly floor general directing traffic, so ball movement will depend on guys looking for the extra pass and open man, allowing for easy buckets. Stoudemire is infamous in Phoenix for his almost singular devotion to shooting or going to the basket once he sets his mind on it, open teammates or double teams be damned. Like Maggette, the aggressiveness often leads to trips to the line. But also like Maggette, it gums up the team’s offense and can lead to costly turnovers when he’s guarded by a solid defender or the calls aren’t going his way. So, if you’re excited about the offensive potential of Ellis, Morrow, and Curry in a newly vitalized drive-and-kick offense, don’t get your hopes up with Amare. There will be plenty of driving (or shooting), but not much kicking.


And what's Biedrins' assist numbers like; 2.0 assists in 30mins a game. Granted better than Amare's and Maggette's, but exactly how much more of a difference to the "passing" of the team does that really make, as it is about 0.3asts more! :roll:
Last season Biedrins averaged 1.0asts a game in 27.23 mins. Amare may not be a passer extraordinaire, but Biedrins isn't either and is the same actually


Adam Lauridsen of SJ mercury news wrote:Injury history — Corey Maggette also came to the Warriors with a reputation for being fragile. Once again, he lived up to his history in the league with an assortment of injuries keeping him out of 31 games. Stoudemire eventually bounced back from the micro-fracture surgery, but racked up another potentially chronic and career threatening injury last year with his detached retina. Micro-fracture surgery has improved since the days of Jamal Mashburn and Alan Houston, but there’s still considerable risk of re-injuring the knee. Zach Randolph, former poster boy for microfracutre recovery, missed extended time this season with soreness in his left knee, the same one that was operated on in 2005. Since the surgery is relatively new, there’s simply not much information on how a repaired knee will hold up through the roughly 400 games we’d be signing Amare to play on a five-year contract. There are injury risks with all players. Amare for 60 games a season is a lot better than many players for 82, but as with Maggette we’d need to go into the contract with our eyes open regarding the potentially catastrophic risks.


Since Amare has come back successfully from his knee surgery and had arguably his best season of his career, and the other two or three were great seasons too, I'm pretty confident he will be there for the long haul with us and a productive long haul to be sure


Adam Lauridsen of SJ mercury news wrote:Team chemistry — When the Warriors played the Celtics this season, Kevin Garnett allegedly made a crack about how Maggette was only out to get his numbers. It wasn’t the first time Corey had heard the “me-first” criticism. And while his stats were impressive during his days with the Clippers, they weren’t impressive enough for the team to fight to keep his services. By all accounts Maggette is a perfectly nice guy and a friend in the locker room to younger players like Anthony Morrow. He is not, however, someone who makes his teammates better through his play on the court, enabling them to play their best games. Stoudemire’s rocky relationship with the Suns stems not only from such lack of on-the-court chemistry (the man’s nickname is “Stat,” if you had any doubts as to his interests), but also from locker room drama not present with Maggette. Amare has developed a reputation for being tough to coach, provided inconsistent effort and pouted when things haven’t gone his way. Sounds like a perfect match for Nelson — and a great influence on our roster full of impressionable youngsters.


My only concern with Amare is attitude, not that he is a headcase, but he has been a bit negative in the past, as far as I've read. He would be the main player here though so he'd have to be happy.


Adam Lauridsen of SJ mercury news wrote:Swapping Biedrins for Stoudemire doesn’t help the Warriors in the areas the areas of most significant need (point guard play, defense), poses a significant risk of stifling the “internal development” we usually hear so much about during the off-season, doesn’t get us a stand-alone star capable of elevating the play of his teammates (Amare has only won with Nash, Marion or Shaq playing leading roles), and will kill our flexibility for the long-term to make a move if/when a real difference maker, addressing our real needs, becomes available.


I've adressed the other areas above.

As for Amare only winning with Marion or Shaq, that's bullshiit,not so with Nash, as the Suns (and somewhat Amare himself) got much better when Nash got there, but they still were pretty good before Nash got there and Amare certainly already was as well and at a very young age


Adam Lauridsen of SJ mercury news wrote:Warriors fans are understandably suspicious of being patient, given our history of waiting only to get nothing in return. The roster as it stands today, however, has more young talent locked up for the foreseeable future than any Warriors’ squad since RUN-TMC and Webber. To my eyes, that talent simply needs this year (and probably a new coach) to turn the corner into a perenial playoff threat. The decision to blow this team apart for a questionable win-now acquisition like Stoudemire simply because we’re tired of being patient is precisely the type of move we’ve bemoaned in the past and blamed for keeping the franchise from becoming a consistent winner. Simply because the team needs change does not mean that any change is in the team’s long-term interests. We made that mistake with Corey Maggette — and we’re about to make it again.


This team is in the same shiit it has been for years - Lots of young talent, not using it properly, no real stars, no bigman star, pisssed off Goldenstwarriors.com forum members!

Get Amare, he fills many needs





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