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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:18 am
migya wrote:Varejao would fit better because he runs and defends better than Gooden but for the MLE, a little too much, rather get Barnes as he does more things better and is more versatile


Barnes is not worth the full MLE. That's why he's still unsigned.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:57 am
migya wrote:Varejao would fit better because he runs and defends better than Gooden but for the MLE, a little too much, rather get Barnes as he does more things better and is more versatile

You're right. Best believe Cleveland knows that Varejao, for the MLE, is a far better value for the overpriced Gooden. However, Gooden is easily the more talented of the two.

Either would work for me. I'd give Cleveland the TE for Gooden... or I'd give Varejao the MLE. Either works.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:42 am
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migya wrote:Varejao would fit better because he runs and defends better than Gooden but for the MLE, a little too much, rather get Barnes as he does more things better and is more versatile


Barnes is not worth the full MLE. That's why he's still unsigned.



He does more than Varejao so he is worth more money than him as well. The team doesn't need to pay so mich for what will be a backup Center playing 15mins at most
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:42 pm
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TMC wrote:Barnes is not worth the full MLE. That's why he's still unsigned.

He does more than Varejao

Are you kidding?

Anderson Varejao is a young, hustle rebounder who plays good defense, runs the floor, improves every season, and fills a larger position (which, automatically, gives him an edge).

Barnes is a journeyman who played once quality season... and, even then, he disappeared for months at a time. In fact, if Matt Barnes didn't play the way he did in the playoffs or January, nobody would be on his dick right now. He was absolutely mediocre for half the season.

Varejao is worth WAY more than Barnes.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:13 am
Varejao has one good season himslef and somehow that makes him better than a player who helped hold the ship afloat early in the season, played multiple positions and fit in very well with the style of the coach. Um, no
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:49 am
... one good season from Varejao?? :shock: :oops: Clearly, you never watched him play before he blew up.

Varejao addresses a Warriors need. He's younger than Barnes. He plays a bigger position. Barnes is older than Varejao, had one good season after touring 5 different cities, and is demanding just as much cash as Varejao.

The choice is hillariously obvious.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:47 am
Barnes is better then :wink:
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:41 am
if we offered a trade, Barnes for Varejao, the cavs would laugh in our face
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:43 am
Quazza wrote:if we offered a trade, Barnes for Varejao, the cavs would laugh in our face



Because Barnes is not a good fit for them and Varejao has proved he can play well there. Here, it is the opposite, with Barnes being a proven thing, especially stepping up like he did in the playoffs
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:18 am
The way I see it, any team, in any situation, should laugh at a trade involving Barnes and Varejao... It's not even close.

Barnes has already showed his best level, and has had a tough time making himself a name in the league. He has proven he's worth keeping as a role player coming from the bench, but he won't play better than he did last year. He's a good 7th to 9th man.

Varejao is younger, improving year after year, a better defender and rebounder and playing a position of need for most teams. Even on upside alone, Varejao is worth much more than Barnes.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:05 am
Like I said, the choice is HILLARIOUSLY obvious.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:13 pm
TMC wrote:The way I see it, any team, in any situation, should laugh at a trade involving Barnes and Varejao... It's not even close.

Barnes has already showed his best level, and has had a tough time making himself a name in the league. He has proven he's worth keeping as a role player coming from the bench, but he won't play better than he did last year. He's a good 7th to 9th man.

Varejao is younger, improving year after year, a better defender and rebounder and playing a position of need for most teams. Even on upside alone, Varejao is worth much more than Barnes.



Again, for the team, Barnes is a great fit and did well in Nelson's systemwhich not every player does wlel in. Barnes showed early last season that he can start at SF or PF effectively. As the roster stands right now, Barnes would be the backup SF, playinh behind SJackson and likely getting over 20 minutes a game. If Varejao was signed, he would likely be the first backup Center off the bench (maybe) and the second backup PF, behind BWright. He would get 15 minutes at the most and that is not worth paying over 5 million for
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:47 am
migya wrote:As the roster stands right now, Barnes would be the backup SF, playinh behind SJackson and likely getting over 20 minutes a game. If Varejao was signed, he would likely be the first backup Center off the bench (maybe) and the second backup PF, behind BWright. He would get 15 minutes at the most and that is not worth paying over 5 million for


I'm pretty sure Varejao would be our starter PF for the upcoming season...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:59 am
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migya wrote:As the roster stands right now, Barnes would be the backup SF, playinh behind SJackson and likely getting over 20 minutes a game. If Varejao was signed, he would likely be the first backup Center off the bench (maybe) and the second backup PF, behind BWright. He would get 15 minutes at the most and that is not worth paying over 5 million for


I'm pretty sure Varejao would be our starter PF for the upcoming season...



So what happens to Harrington and BWright? Both have more talent than Varejao (BWright has the potential at least). If you are thinking of putting harrington at SF and SJackson at SG, that leaves both Monta and Belinelli on the bench and Mullin traded JRich to let Monta start. Varejao would be the backup Center and even then, BWright would be left with even fewer minutes as he would not be playing backup Center at all and only backup PF. Makes no sense to add Varejao, especially now that Croshere has been signed
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:35 am
If we aquire Varejao for the MLE, I don't see a problem playing him off the bench.

If we sign Varejao for MORE than the MLE, the bigger contract (between Harrington and Varejao) should start.

If we sign Varejao, either he or Harrington needs to get dealt when Wright proves he can contribute. There's no sense signing two PF's to giant deals. That's what the Cav's are trying to avoid right now.

Brandan Wright should be up and running at starting PF in 3 years.

Matt Barnes should only be signed if we are unable to aquire a PF with our free agent money. And I mean a real PF; not a 10-year vet who still barely cracks 3rd string.
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