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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:14 am
Collangelo would like to have Pietrus... but, in all reality, he has to know that Anthony Parker and Juan Dixon are just as good (if not better) players. Throwing in Cabbage (whose proven NOTHING in his entire NBA career) doesn't help at all. He's not that big of an expirer... and he's already said he'll opt out.
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 3:26 pm
the book on o'bryant coming out of college was that he isnt ready to bang in the nba due to his lack of strength and conditioning, but when he gets that up to par, he'll be a solid rebounder and shot-blocker

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 3:37 pm
ChronicallyInclined wrote:the book on o'bryant coming out of college was that he isnt ready to bang in the nba due to his lack of strength and conditioning, but when he gets that up to par, he'll be a solid rebounder and shot-blocker

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Yeah, it seems like he's a bit more offensively polished than Biedrins too. He still needs more polishing though.

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I saw a recent photo of POB & he definitely has added some muscle to his frame, working out with Mark Grabow there will be results.. I can't wait for Summer league in Vegas :drunken: :drinking: \:D/ :sleeping:
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Yeah, me too. I'm excited about O'Bryant.
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O'bryant may yet be some sort of answer for the team. Maybe him and Biedrins can play some PF and Center each. Got a feeling that both likely will not be able to coexist in nelson's system though so probable that one will end up leaving. Something to think about when looking at resigning Biedrins and how much to offer as he might even become a backup within 3 or 4 years
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migya wrote:O'bryant may yet be some sort of answer for the team. Maybe him and Biedrins can play some PF and Center each. Got a feeling that both likely will not be able to coexist in nelson's system though so probable that one will end up leaving. Something to think about when looking at resigning Biedrins and how much to offer as he might even become a backup within 3 or 4 years

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It's not likely, but its possible. Thats the thing about crazy potential, like O'Bryant; he could end up being the best player on the team... or he could end up being a total bust. The thing about potential is that it needs a short leash; if O'Bryant doesn't look good by the end of his rookie contract, there's no use resigning him.

I'm interested in his progress over the summer. In college, his MO was fast improvement... and we caught a glimpse of that during a game against the Clippers last season. Lets see how much O'Bryant's built on top of that before we start the inevitable comparisons to Biedrins. As it stands, O'Bryant can't a hold a candle to Biedrins' productivity... but Andris has had a 3-year head start.

Things O'Bryant has going for him: natural size (huge wingspan, standing reach, height, ect), good athletic ability for a 7-footer, amazing D-League stats, NBA-level shot-altering ability (can probably already block them, too), more refined, polished offensive game than any other big on the roster (Biedrins, Powell, or Foyle), an environment where he won't be rushed to develop (like Dunleavy, Mike Miller, or Calbert Cheaney were), and one of the league's better trainers to help build him some muscles (Grabow).

That's a lot of opportunity... which is why I'm slow to simply dismiss him, like the majority of Warriors fans who are tired of watching potential grow.
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migya wrote:O'bryant may yet be some sort of answer for the team. Maybe him and Biedrins can play some PF and Center each. Got a feeling that both likely will not be able to coexist in nelson's system though so probable that one will end up leaving. Something to think about when looking at resigning Biedrins and how much to offer as he might even become a backup within 3 or 4 years

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It's not likely, but its possible. Thats the thing about crazy potential, like O'Bryant; he could end up being the best player on the team... or he could end up being a total bust. The thing about potential is that it needs a short leash; if O'Bryant doesn't look good by the end of his rookie contract, there's no use resigning him.



I agree totally! Potential should only be given a certain amount of time to become proven talent. Pietrus is one that has been given enough time to show that and he hasn't and should only be kept for little money and as a role player and that is if better players don't prop up. Same thing goes for O'bryant. If he becomes a capable backup only, that is good enough but he should not get paid more than what he should for such a role
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32 wrote:
migya wrote:O'bryant may yet be some sort of answer for the team. Maybe him and Biedrins can play some PF and Center each. Got a feeling that both likely will not be able to coexist in nelson's system though so probable that one will end up leaving. Something to think about when looking at resigning Biedrins and how much to offer as he might even become a backup within 3 or 4 years

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It's not likely, but its possible. Thats the thing about crazy potential, like O'Bryant; he could end up being the best player on the team... or he could end up being a total bust. The thing about potential is that it needs a short leash; if O'Bryant doesn't look good by the end of his rookie contract, there's no use resigning him.



I agree totally! Potential should only be given a certain amount of time to become proven talent. Pietrus is one that has been given enough time to show that and he hasn't and should only be kept for little money and as a role player and that is if better players don't prop up. Same thing goes for O'bryant. If he becomes a capable backup only, that is good enough but he should not get paid more than what he should for such a role


I agree. The problem, though, is that by the end of O'Bryant's rookie contract, people still might be riding the "big men take time to develop" idea. Hopefully we can see through that.
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migya wrote:
32 wrote:
migya wrote:O'bryant may yet be some sort of answer for the team. Maybe him and Biedrins can play some PF and Center each. Got a feeling that both likely will not be able to coexist in nelson's system though so probable that one will end up leaving. Something to think about when looking at resigning Biedrins and how much to offer as he might even become a backup within 3 or 4 years

:dontknow:

It's not likely, but its possible. Thats the thing about crazy potential, like O'Bryant; he could end up being the best player on the team... or he could end up being a total bust. The thing about potential is that it needs a short leash; if O'Bryant doesn't look good by the end of his rookie contract, there's no use resigning him.



I agree totally! Potential should only be given a certain amount of time to become proven talent. Pietrus is one that has been given enough time to show that and he hasn't and should only be kept for little money and as a role player and that is if better players don't prop up. Same thing goes for O'bryant. If he becomes a capable backup only, that is good enough but he should not get paid more than what he should for such a role


I agree. The problem, though, is that by the end of O'Bryant's rookie contract, people still might be riding the "big men take time to develop" idea. Hopefully we can see through that.

People will only be riding that train of thought if he's made strides in his game.

If, by Year 3, O'Bryant hasn't learned a thing (like, say, Mickael Pietrus), then definately axe him. But if O'Bryant has made some improvements in his game, you've gotta keep him. If for nothing else, because he's 7-feet tall. Back-up quality big men are a commodity in the NBA, unlike dime-a-dozen swingmen.

Guys like Biedrins and O'Bryant, at a default, will have an advantage over players like Pietrus and Monta because they are big men... and skilled big men are tough to find. Biedrins/O'Bryant will be our future tandem at center... the question is, who starts? Right now, the answer's obvious. But at the start of the 2008-'09 season? It may be a tad bit foggier...
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