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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:04 pm
32 wrote:Okay, since no one else is going to actually look at his record, here's how I'd rank Nelson's Top 5 seasons:

1) 1980-'81 Milwaukee Bucks 60-22. Don Nelson's only reached 60 wins twice in his career. I think his first one, in '81, is the most impressive. His highest scorer (Marques Johnson) only put up 20.3 PPG (ala Baron this season), but they still managed to snag the 3rd best record in the league (behind the stacked Celtics and the stacked Sixers). Nelly had 4 different players averaging higher than 6 rebounds per game (Johnson, Bob Lanier, Mickey Johnson, and Harvey Catchings). Easily, if the Boston Celtics and Philly 76ers weren't so damn stacked (Bird, Parish, Archibald, McHale, Erving, Dawkins, Mo Cheeks), Nelson would have had the best record in the NBA. As it stands, he managed to be right on their heels (both teams won 62) with a less than memorable roster.


I would agree that this was the best coaching season for Nelson. He took this team to such heights this season when it wasn't expected at all


32 wrote:2) 2002-'03 Dallas Mavericks 60-22. Nelson's second trip to 60 wins... only this time he had Dirk Nowitski, Steve Nash, and Michael Finley pulling the load. Nelson squeezed talent out of everybody on the roster (Shawn Bradley managed over 2 blocks in barely 20 minutes, Nash had his best year as a Maverick, Van Exel became a role player after traditionally starting, Finley quietly averaged 19 points, 6 boards, and 3 assists, ect). The only difference between this year and '81 is talent: Nelly had a helluva lot more to work with. But you can't take anything away from him; it was Dallas' best year under Nelson (who turned that franchise from a door mat into one of the league's powerhouse teams for the decade).


Probably was the best season for the Mavs under Nelson but there was 3 seasons that also are up there. That team was pretty loaded and went


32 wrote:3) 1991-'92 Golden State Warriors 55-27. I think this was Nelson's best year in Golden State purely for one reason: he traded a star (Mitch Richmond) and when he realized that he got garbage back in return, he made a star out of one of his current players. Sarunas Marciulionis averaged a career-high 18.9 PPG in the wake of the Richmond trade (he averaged 10.9 the season prior). Mullin and Hardaway did their thing (as usual), but it was really remarkable for Nelly for make lemonade out of such a horrific trade and still grab 55 wins.


That season was the best the Warriors have had under Nelson but the 4 guys of Hardaway, Mullin, Sarunas and Owens were very talented and about the best foursome there was in the nba that season. Justified the trade of Richmond for Owens


32 wrote:4) 1993-'94 Golden State Warriors 50-32. This is a classic example of how the record can be misleading. One might assume that, due to the Warriors stacked roster (Webber, Spree, Mully, TimBug), 50 wins was underachievement. What many people don't remember is that the Warriors were plagued by injury this year. Hardaway didn't play a single game that year and the usually healthy Mullin (the Warriors leading scorer for the past 5 seasons) missed 20 games. Once again, Nelly gave the reigns to Sprewell (an emerging star, under Nelson) and let he and Webber run the show while his old horses were in the barn. In light of all those setbacks, its not tough to see what a great job Nelson did pulling together the team.


Sarunas was also out the whole season. If that team had not been broken up (Webber should have been the only one traded), it would have become an elite team in the second half of the 1990s


32 wrote:5) 2006-'07 Golden State Warriors (Currently) 38-40. The Warriors have missed the playoffs for 12 years running... and Nelson's got us in a position where we might actually be in the post season again. He benched Adonal Foyle (whose been starting since Dampier left in 2004) and brought in young buck, Andris Biedrins, whose exploded with a season worthy of MIP honors. Likewise, Nelly's given the ball to sophomore Monta Ellis, whose responded with an 18, 3, and 4 season. Stephen Jackson comes to the Warriors midseason and bumps up his scoring average up 3 points, his assists by 2, and his rebounding/steals by 0.5 a night (while shooting a better percentage across the board). Franchise Baron Davis has had the best season of his career, to go along with the breakout years from Mickael Pietrus and Matt Barnes (not to mention Ellis and Biedrins). Even youngsters Josh Powell and Kelenna Azuibuke look like studs when they come into the game. And Nelson's done it all with the following: Baron Davis missing 19 games, leading scorer Jason Richardson missing 31 games, Mickael Pietrus missing 10 games, Stephen Jackson missing 4 games, ect. The only man to suit up for Golden State every single night was Andris Biedrins. When your 2 best players (Richardson and Davis) combine for 50 missed games in a season and you still make the playoffs (assuming they do), you've done your job as a coach.


The injuries to key players are what makes this season so good and it is definately close to a top 5 coaching performance from Nelson, though guys like Monta and Biedrins are so young and were always going to get real good


32 wrote:Please, if anybody would rank a season in Nelson's career higher than this one... let me know which season. I'd gladly like to know why you're not giving the guy proper credit.



In 2000/01, The Mavs beat Utah in the 1st round in a bit of an upset. That season they were 53-29 and rising but they were not an elite team yet. They had a fairly talented team but not great outside of the trio of Nash, Finley and Nowitzki. That team is top 5 in Nelson's career because they gained much belief after beating the Jazz
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migya wrote:In 2000/01, The Mavs beat Utah in the 1st round in a bit of an upset. That season they were 53-29 and rising but they were not an elite team yet. They had a fairly talented team but not great outside of the trio of Nash, Finley and Nowitzki. That team is top 5 in Nelson's career because they gained much belief after beating the Jazz

Is that the only season you'd rank higher...?

I disagree because your justification for the season was purely based on their postseason victory against the Jazz and, since we're talking about regular seasons, I'd regard the playoffs are a different matter all together. If we were taking playoffs into consideration, his 2003 season with the Mavericks would run away with it. But I'm not (seeing as THIS year hasn't hit the post season yet).
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:41 pm
That season was also the first great season that the Mavs had under Nelson. All seasons since that one under Nelson for the Mavs were great ones
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:57 am
... we must be talking about completely different subjects.

In my view, coaching emcompasses a helluva lot more than simply the win/loss column. Nelson had some winning seasons in Dallas, but he was nothing of the teacher, or leader, or catalyst to victory that he's been for Golden State this season. In Dallas, Nelly simply rode his trio of Finley/Nowistski/Nash and let them win ball games. Here, he's tried SO many starting lineups, come up with SO many rotations, given SO many different players MEANINGFUL advice, put the ball in the right guy's hands, discovered stars, motivated the unmotivated (SJax, Baron, Adonal), and just all around coached a better season.

If Nelly coached at this high level in Dallas every season, they would have never finished under 50 wins. They had that kind of talent. Fact.

Even his bench warmers are acting like Nelly's the greatest coach of all-time. Did you ever see Shawn Bradley working his ass off to get back into the rotation, the way Adonal Foyle has been?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:54 am
This team is very talented and just needed a decent coach to utilise it properly instead of the likes of Montgomery. The injuries to key players is what makes this season a good one for Nelson.

As far as comparing Bradley to Foyle - Bradley got 2 blocks a game one season there in Dallas and he only got 20mins a game. No real comparison of the two
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migya wrote:As far as comparing Bradley to Foyle - Bradley got 2 blocks a game one season there in Dallas and he only got 20mins a game. No real comparison of the two


Foyle can do that. Give him 20 min and he'll get more blocks than Bradley for sure. He won't do anything else, but when it comes to blocks, he's among the NBA's best.
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migya wrote:As far as comparing Bradley to Foyle - Bradley got 2 blocks a game one season there in Dallas and he only got 20mins a game. No real comparison of the two


Foyle can do that. Give him 20 min and he'll get more blocks than Bradley for sure. He won't do anything else, but when it comes to blocks, he's among the NBA's best.



Now that I've looked it up, Bradley did alot more than that! His years in Dallas were actually quite productive:

97-98 DAL 64 46 28.5 .422 .333 .722 2.6 5.5 8.1 .9 .80 3.34 1.50 3.30 11.4
98-99 DAL 49 33 26.4 .480 .000 .748 2.7 5.3 8.0 .8 .71 3.24 1.14 3.10 8.6
99-00 DAL 77 54 24.7 .479 .200 .765 2.1 4.4 6.5 .8 .92 2.47 .96 3.40 8.4
00-01 DAL 82 35 24.4 .490 .167 .787 2.0 5.5 7.4 .5 .44 2.78 1.07 3.10 7.1
01-02 DAL 53 16 14.3 .479 .000 .922 1.0 2.3 3.3 .4 .53 1.21 .47 2.40 4.1
02-03 DAL 81 39 21.4 .536 .000 .806 1.9 4.0 5.9 .7 .80 2.10 .83 3.00 6.7
03-04 DAL 66 5 11.7 .473 .000 .837 1.1 1.5 2.6 .3 .50 1.12 .26 2.00 3.3
04-05 DAL 77 14 11.5 .452 .000 .683 .9 1.9 2.8 .2 .32 .82 .43 2.00 2.7



Foyle, thoug a good shot blocker himself, could never put up those sort of numbers. Bradley was not that good and certainly not good for a 2nd pick in his draft but Foyle is just not good at all
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migya wrote:Foyle, thoug a good shot blocker himself, could never put up those sort of numbers. Bradley was not that good and certainly not good for a 2nd pick in his draft but Foyle is just not good at all

Why is why Don Nelson is a genius for having Foyle average more blocks per 48 than ever in his career.
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When a player knows he is not going to get much court time, he trys harder and focusses on what he does best, that explains Foyle's contribution, which is not much
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migya wrote:When a player knows he is not going to get much court time, he trys harder and focusses on what he does best, that explains Foyle's contribution, which is not much

That might be correct, if Foyle was the only type of limited-time player... but, unfortunately, Ike Diogu and Sarunas Jasikevicious prove different. Their limited time this year was either very productive or (more often) a complete waste of time, whereas Adonal Foyle has been productive, pretty much, every second he's been on the floor.

Nelson has (and alwasy has had) a good eye for talent. He realized that Adonal Foyle's most meaningful role would be that of a situational bench player, like Shawn Bradley was. I credit the coach for Foyle's improvement.
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Diogu not only got very little court time but he was not the designated anything on the court. When he played, he had to do whatever he could whenever he had the chance, be it score in the limited touches he had, rebound or block shots, all which he did well in very limited court time. Foyle, gets hardly any court time but is the designated shot blocker, something that doesn't require his teammates assistance, so it is much easier for him to be productive, which he isn't exactly, in his few minutes
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When was the last time you saw Diogu play for the Warriors?

Whenever Ike got any playing time, the entire offense ran through him. That was his problem; he couldn't function as a player without an insane amount of touches.
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He didn't get those touches. Nelson never liked his game and didn't use him much because of that. Diogu made the most of his opportunities
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If Ike made the most of his opportunities he would have played more minutes, but fouls/confusion/inability to pass out of a double team/defense/rebounding cut his minutes & opportunites down.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:33 am
Main reason Diogu didn't get much court time = Nelson didn't like him!
A player that goes through a period of time of scoring close to a point a minute, getting more rebounds a minute than any other PF option on the team and blocks a shot every few minutes as well, is a player that should get minutes
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