http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=270314011
My fave quote from the article:

"Indiana guard Mike Dunleavy said he's never experienced a losing streak like this.

"When you lose 11 in a row, a losing streak isn't going to end, you've got to snap it," he said. "It's going to take a great effort and a great performance from us. Tonight, Washington played well and they were better than us. Now, we've got to find a way to get out of this thing."

Now it's when the Pacers fans start realizing that they were raped in that trade...

TMC wrote:Now it's when the Pacers fans start realizing that they were raped in that trade...

Pretty sure they already realized that.

Their only hope in that trade, from Day 1, was a few ignorant fans claiming that they had high hopes for Ike Diogu. While we, in Golden State, clearly saw the kid hit the ceiling, his reputation preceded him and we were able to use that in the deal to our favor. Years from now, when Diogu's still a 2nd string could-have-been (ala Eddie Griffin, Mike Sweetney, ect), Pacers fans will finally see the true horror of that trade, on their end.

Long live Chris Mullin, who ruthlessly outsmarted his mentor.

32 wrote:

TMC wrote:Now it's when the Pacers fans start realizing that they were raped in that trade...

Pretty sure they already realized that.

Their only hope in that trade, from Day 1, was a few ignorant fans claiming that they had high hopes for Ike Diogu. While we, in Golden State, clearly saw the kid hit the ceiling, his reputation preceded him and we were able to use that in the deal to our favor. Years from now, when Diogu's still a 2nd string could-have-been (ala Eddie Griffin, Mike Sweetney, ect), Pacers fans will finally see the true horror of that trade, on their end.

Long live Chris Mullin, who ruthlessly outsmarted his mentor.

Yeah. Noticed how when Mullin made this trade, he washed out all Mullin criticism. Even uptempo!

JayPat wrote:Yeah. Noticed how when Mullin made this trade, he washed out all Mullin criticism. Even uptempo!

And destroyed all the credibility Donnie Walsh had gathered over the years.

It was a rip off to begin with but it got even uglier once S Jax started playing like he was Steve Nash. Everyone in the media is always talking about how great a ballhandler Dunny is and what a playmaker he is at the 3 but S Jax had no cred for any of that coming in and now he is everything we could've wanted Dunny to be and then some.

A tip of the hat and a bravo to #17.

JayPat wrote:

32 wrote:

TMC wrote:Now it's when the Pacers fans start realizing that they were raped in that trade...

Pretty sure they already realized that.

Their only hope in that trade, from Day 1, was a few ignorant fans claiming that they had high hopes for Ike Diogu. While we, in Golden State, clearly saw the kid hit the ceiling, his reputation preceded him and we were able to use that in the deal to our favor. Years from now, when Diogu's still a 2nd string could-have-been (ala Eddie Griffin, Mike Sweetney, ect), Pacers fans will finally see the true horror of that trade, on their end.

Long live Chris Mullin, who ruthlessly outsmarted his mentor.

Yeah. Noticed how when Mullin made this trade, he washed out all Mullin criticism. Even uptempo!

I dunno about that; there's still a ton of hatred for Mullin (not nearly as bad as it was... but its still there).

And, as far as uptempo, I think he's more inclined to believe that Don Nelson, not Chris Mullin, was the instigator of that trade. The reason I don't believe that is because its unfair to hold Mullin to his bad signs of Dunleavy, Murphy, ect... and, yet, not give him any credit when he swings a golden deal like this. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion... but I think uptempo's still calling for Mullin's head.

Indiana has already said the only people in on the deal was them & Mullin. Great trade by Mullin on contracts alone. The play of the new guys is the bonus.

Yeah, it was funny hearing guys saying like "This trade will benefit Indy more not because they're in the East, but because these guys are in a new system. Dunleavy leaves all the boo's behind him and gets to restart his career. Murphy is a solid 18/10 player. Diogu will pan out. Harrington and SJax were just there because they were not fitting in well." The morale of this trade... analysist aren't exactly rocket scientists in basketball.

Analysts are like weathermen; like complete liars and I dunno how they keep a job.

xbaywarrior wrote:Yeah, it was funny hearing guys saying like "This trade will benefit Indy more not because they're in the East, but because these guys are in a new system. Dunleavy leaves all the boo's behind him and gets to restart his career. Murphy is a solid 18/10 player. Diogu will pan out. Harrington and SJax were just there because they were not fitting in well." The morale of this trade... analysist aren't exactly rocket scientists in basketball.

Pacers have just had a bad image the last two plus seasons and they wanted SJackson out of there. Diogu will only pan out if he gets the playing time which may never happen there. He might leave the Pacers after his contract ends and make it big in some other team

Diogu's looking less and less like he's going to make it "big"...

And, suddenly, Montgomery's not looking as crazy as everybody thought...

32 wrote:And, suddenly, Montgomery's not looking as crazy as everybody thought...

Don't get any ideas...

32 wrote:Analysts are like weathermen; like complete liars and I dunno how they keep a job.

only lower forms of life are politicians and smooth jazz players

JayPat wrote:

32 wrote:And, suddenly, Montgomery's not looking as crazy as everybody thought...

Don't get any ideas...

You won't find any Monty support from me. I thought a tree stump could coach the team better. And, it's clear, from the breakout seasons Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins are having, that he clearly mismanaged the team.

That being said, we were all extremely hard on him for not playing Ike Diogu... and, in the end, Rick Carlise and Don Nelson are both in agreement that Diogu has some major issues to solve before he becomes any sort of role player for any team. Add in Diogu's inability to learn anything (at least, thus far in his career) and you've got a kid oozing with potential who may turn into nothing.

You'll hear the repeated argument from Diogu sympathizers that all he needs is minutes... but Montgomery gave Diogu a shot, if you recall, during last January. Diogu became the starting center for a short period of time... and not even increased minutes helped the big guy get any better. Add in the fact that Don Nelson was giving him nearly 15 minutes a night as a Warrior and, well, the evidence is pretty conclusive.

But, don't get it twisted. During his short stint as a Warrior, Diogu was my favorite player (and I hated Montgomery with a bloody passion).