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Nelson plans to use Ellis as first guard off bench

BOSTON - A sprained left foot may have hastened the process, but Warriors Coach Don Nelson said Wednesday that his plan for the rest of the season has guard Monta Ellis coming off the bench.

Ellis, who sprained his left foot for the second time in two weeks during Monday's game at New Jersey, did not start Wednesday in the Warriors' 96-95 victory over the Boston Celtics and was limited to six minutes.

Even when the second-year guard is fully healthy, however, don't expect him to rejoin the starting lineup. Nelson said during Wednesday morning's shootaround that the Jason Richardson small-forward experiment has been a bust and Richardson will go back to being a full-time shooting guard, at least at the beginning of games.

``Eventually, I would think that Monta would be coming off the bench and be my third guard,'' Nelson said. ``JR's inability to rebound at (small forward) kind of forces me to make that maybe a finishing team, not a team that I would play much.

``I have to be a little careful of (Richardson's) knee not to play him too much, so 30 minutes is about right, and 34 for Baron (Davis), 30 for Monta,'' Nelson said. ``The numbers kind of make sense.''

• Although Troy Murphy sat out five consecutive games in a move meant to solve the situation once and for all, his sore left Achilles tendon did not respond as hoped. So the Warriors forward, who had been traveling with the team in hopes of a swift return, missed his sixth consecutive game while flying across the country Wednesday and will today meet with Richard Ferkel, a Los Angeles-based orthopedic surgeon and foot specialist.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:10 am
hobbes wrote:``I have to be a little careful of (Richardson's) knee not to play him too much, so 30 minutes is about right, and 34 for Baron (Davis), 30 for Monta,'' Nelson said. ``The numbers kind of make sense.''


Sounds good to me... until J-Rich gets fully healed and fit. Then the minutes will have to change. And I've always liked the idea of bringing Monta from the bench... instant offense.

Also, I think we have enough weapons at SF with Barnes, Pietrus... even Dun the games he plays well.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:46 pm
When everyone is healthy, if they ever are this season, Nelson may want to have Monta back in the starting five because that is the best lineup possible
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:18 pm
This is perfect. I've always known Monta is best suited as a 6th man kind of player. If you average 4 turnovers in starting minutes, its time for a change.

The kid can score in clusters when he's hot... but we shouldn't have to deal with the rest of him when we don't have to. Monta isn't a good playmaker, his passes are always telegraphed, and he's been awfully streaky lately.

I think he'll thrive in 30 minutes off the bench. It leaves Nelson free to sub him out when he's not doing well; ala Dunleavy.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:37 pm
Great news. I'd think Jrich would be more effective at the two spot. Him at small forward just doesn't seem to fit. Monta for 6th man!

PG-Baron
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SF-Pietrus
PF-Barnes
C-Biedrins

It should look like that I'd think.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:45 pm
xBayAreaWarriorx wrote:Great news. I'd think Jrich would be more effective at the two spot. Him at small forward just doesn't seem to fit. Monta for 6th man!

PG-Baron
SG-Jrich
SF-Pietrus
PF-Barnes
C-Biedrins

It should look like that I'd think.



It has to be Diogu at PF
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:36 am
It should be performance/need based.

Diogu would be a better choice against the Spurs or Heat... but I'd probably start Murphy against the Hornets or Sonics. And, against the Suns, anything goes... so Barnes wouldn't bother me.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:09 am
migya wrote:
xBayAreaWarriorx wrote:Great news. I'd think Jrich would be more effective at the two spot. Him at small forward just doesn't seem to fit. Monta for 6th man!

PG-Baron
SG-Jrich
SF-Pietrus
PF-Barnes
C-Biedrins

It should look like that I'd think.



It has to be Diogu at PF

he keeps getting 9 points and 5 boards in 12 minutes, Nelson will have no choice...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:15 am
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migya wrote:
xBayAreaWarriorx wrote:Great news. I'd think Jrich would be more effective at the two spot. Him at small forward just doesn't seem to fit. Monta for 6th man!

PG-Baron
SG-Jrich
SF-Pietrus
PF-Barnes
C-Biedrins

It should look like that I'd think.



It has to be Diogu at PF

he keeps getting 9 points and 5 boards in 12 minutes, Nelson will have no choice...


I wouldn't be so sure. He always delivers when he plays... and still doesn't have consistent minutes, not even as a bench player. I don't really know what's up. It's true he's not a good defender and he may be a bit out of shape after the injury... but he still plays too few minutes. And it's not like we have a better option at PF. Both Barnes and MP are SF, not PF.

Also, I wouldn't start Murphy against anybody. In fact, I wouldn't play him a single minute. He shouldn't even be practicing with the team (a la Iverson)... that way he'd get traded soon. His agent would take care of that.
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If Nelson gives Diogu a chance and he delivers in some 30 minutes a game, the team will move up and be an elite Western team = My statement of the season!
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migya wrote:If Nelson gives Diogu a chance and he delivers in some 30 minutes a game, the team will move up and be an elite Western team = My statement of the season!


Sometimes, I'd wish you were running the team... Mostly when I think about the cheerleader squad. :mrgreen:
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migya wrote:If Nelson gives Diogu a chance and he delivers in some 30 minutes a game, the team will move up and be an elite Western team = My statement of the season!


Sometimes, I'd wish you were running the team... Mostly when I think about the cheerleader squad. :mrgreen:



Reckon I'd be running riot on them young biches :mrgreen:

Seriously though, Diogu is the answer inside, especially offensively and Nelson will come around to seeing that and play him alot more. I really do think the team would be very hard to beat with him being very effective like he has been in short minutes
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:11 am
Assuming JRich comes back to his old form, it makes sense to have Monta off the bench, so long as he gets beaucoup minutes. As for Ike, I am not so sure, Migya. It is not about defense, as some have claimed, since most Ws are bad defenders (Biedrins, Pietrus and Barnes excepted). The problem is, Nelson does not play a game with a lot of low post play, and Ike thrives as a low post half court player. Do I think a coach as inventive as Nelson should figure out how to use a kid who can score easily down low and shoot 80% from the line? Of course, but I am not sure that will happen. That's more Riley, Van Gundy, Sloan ball.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:37 am
coltraning wrote:The problem is, Nelson does not play a game with a lot of low post play, and Ike thrives as a low post half court player. Do I think a coach as inventive as Nelson should figure out how to use a kid who can score easily down low and shoot 80% from the line? Of course, but I am not sure that will happen. That's more Riley, Van Gundy, Sloan ball.

I dunno, colt... whenever Ike's in the game, Nelson seems to be running the post through him. And even when he was injured, Nelly loved running a post-up-play to Baron Davis in that 3-guard lineup.

I don't think we can count the post out of Nelly's arsenal yet. It seems to be one of his favorites this year.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:39 am
#32 wrote:I don't think we can count the post out of Nelly's arsenal yet. It seems to be one of his favorites this year.


I wouldn't say that yet. They just try to get the max out of Ike the few minutes he's on court. But he'd have to play more to be labeled as a favorite...
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