JREED23 wrote:Not quite, Carroll only had 4 years at HC in the NFL. As a HC and assistant/coordinator he had 14 Total seasons in college and 12 in the NFL.bada wrote:Keep in mind the guy has coached in the NFL for 16 years! This separates him from the failures everyone keeps mentioning.
Here are the NFL experience of recent college to NFL coaches before becoming an NFL head coach:
Spurrier - 0
Petrino - 2
Saban - 4
Erickson - 0
Who knows if he will be the right guy or not, but to lump him as a "college" coach I dont think it accurate considering he has coached in the NFL twice as long as he has college.
Are you referring to Erickson's career when he accepted the Seahawks job or 9ers? I assume your referring to the seahawks.
Spurrier did play in the NFL for 8 seasons and he coached 2 years at the pro ranks in the USFL - the origins of the "fun 'n' gun" offense.
And don't forget:
Butch Davis - 5 years
Rich Brooks - 4 years
Mike Riley - 0
Jimmy Johnson is about the only exception.
What I was actually referring to, in my previous post, was the rapid success that former NFL HCs have in the college ranks - not so much the other way around. If any college coach deserves a crack (or second, third, fourth crack) at the NFL it is Carroll or Urban Meyer, though I doubt his spread would translate well.
And lets not forget that after going 6-10 with Jets, Carroll inherited a team that just went to the Superbowl the previous year.
If I could put aside my hate for the Seashawks for a moment and offer an unbiased opinion; They pulled the trigger on Mora too soon - it's not like they guy had much to work with. Hell, 5-11 is a one game improvement over what the future HOFer Holmgren did in the previous year.
no, 16 seasons as a coach in the NFL (not saying HEAD coach)
1984 - Buffalo Bills (DB Coach)
1985 - Minn Vikings (DB Coach)
1986 - Minn Vikings (DB Coach)
1987 - Minn Vikings (DB Coach)
1988 - Minn Vikings (DB Coach)
1989 - Minn Vikings (DB Coach)
1990 –NY Jets Defensive Coordinator
1991 –NY Jets Defensive Coordinator
1992 –NY Jets Defensive Coordinator
1993 –NY Jets Defensive Coordinator
1994 –NY Jets Head Coach
1995 -SF 49ers Defensive Coordinator
1996 -SF 49ers Defensive Coordinator
1997 -NE Head Coach
1998 -NE Head Coach
1999 -NE Head Coach
That is 16 years in the NFL. Yes, he did have some previous college coaching exp in the late 70's and early 80's. But since he started in the NFL, he has coached 16 years there and been at SC for 8 season.
I agree to a point about Mora. I was fine with giving him another year but there were some dynamics there that warranted a house cleaning which is why the GM and the Coach were gone. There was some bad blood and "sides" drawn, mostly around Holmgren. Needed to just clean house.
I just wish they would have make Jeff Fisher and Bud Adams an offer they could not refuse. Carroll certainly not my 1st, 2nd or even 3rd choice, but what is done is done and I am excited to see what he brings to the table.