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» Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:07 am
Al Davis had a few years here and there of success [very little considering how long he's been an owner] ... and since then he's manage to drive the franchise into the ground as far as he possibly can. He's far from being a great owner, sorry. And what is exactly is this legacy he has? The "Just Win Baby " montra? Thats what he hangs his hat on? Sorry.
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» Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:33 am
Beast Mode wrote:Al Davis had a few years here and there of success [very little considering how long he's been an owner] ... and since then he's manage to drive the franchise into the ground as far as he possibly can. He's far from being a great owner, sorry. And what is exactly is this legacy he has? The "Just Win Baby " montra? Thats what he hangs his hat on? Sorry.



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LEGACY
* 1st & only guy to be coach, owner, commissioner
* broke down the racial barriers by hiring African Americans, Latinos & females for high level positions.
* Gambled on hiring Young coaches whom have led him to superbowls
* His team has appeared in more TITLE GAMES (AFC/AFL CHAMPIONSHIPS then any other team over the last 50 years) - & his legacy of being in big titles games is only
highlighted by the fact that 3 out of the TOP 10 most controversial plays in all of football... Cost his team the Game & advancing to the Bigger stage.

What's so special about the Raiders Dynasty is there ability to have great teams.

They are on a whole different playing level compared to the NINERS who'm went to 5 superbowls (& won them all) in the space of 7-9 years.

But Al Davis, for the last 50 years is one of the only owners (along with the Rooney family) to keep sending squads to superbowls in different eras/decades.

That just proves he's a got a great eye for talent, where as the NINERS legacy even though they won more titles.. will always been known as Bill Walsh who got lucky with 3 players (RICE, YOUNG, MONTANA) & they may never return to the big game again, with the way things be going)

What team you follow Beast Mode??
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» Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:13 am
how "we" lookin this year Pawn?

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» Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:31 am
Beast must be an under 18 or very casual fan of the sport. AL davis had several successful decades of football. Pawno does a good job of going over Al's highlights.
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» Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:16 am
I'm feelin pretty good about our team going into this year. With JR out of the picture, maybe we can get back to playing somewhat competent football. Still, I think us fans always get excited about the Raiders before the season, then it just falls apart. :x
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» Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:41 am
PAWNO wrote:
Beast Mode wrote:Al Davis had a few years here and there of success [very little considering how long he's been an owner] ... and since then he's manage to drive the franchise into the ground as far as he possibly can. He's far from being a great owner, sorry. And what is exactly is this legacy he has? The "Just Win Baby " montra? Thats what he hangs his hat on? Sorry.



Not correct.

LEGACY
* 1st & only guy to be coach, owner, commissioner
* broke down the racial barriers by hiring African Americans, Latinos & females for high level positions.
* Gambled on hiring Young coaches whom have led him to superbowls
* His team has appeared in more TITLE GAMES (AFC/AFL CHAMPIONSHIPS then any other team over the last 50 years) - & his legacy of being in big titles games is only
highlighted by the fact that 3 out of the TOP 10 most controversial plays in all of football... Cost his team the Game & advancing to the Bigger stage.

What's so special about the Raiders Dynasty is there ability to have great teams.

They are on a whole different playing level compared to the NINERS who'm went to 5 superbowls (& won them all) in the space of 7-9 years.

But Al Davis, for the last 50 years is one of the only owners (along with the Rooney family) to keep sending squads to superbowls in different eras/decades.

That just proves he's a got a great eye for talent, where as the NINERS legacy even though they won more titles.. will always been known as Bill Walsh who got lucky with 3 players (RICE, YOUNG, MONTANA) & they may never return to the big game again, with the way things be going)

What team you follow Beast Mode??




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» Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:50 am
Quazza wrote:how "we" lookin this year Pawn?



We actually looking darn good, The D# been upgrade and O# as well...
Jason Campbell is a steal in off season and for sure way better than JR...
The worst result probably 7-9, other than that playoff is for real....

even with bench QB like Bruce, we still can manage few wins last season....what about if he played from the beginning, we might end up with better result....
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» Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:00 am
WORST case is 7-9? come on GSW, that is a bit optimistic dont you think?
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» Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:11 am
Whenever you talk about Al's greatness, please... remember to use the past tense. Thanks. :wink:

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» Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:09 am
i would say worse case is another 5 win season. Best case is a 9-7 record.
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» Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:50 am
PAWNO wrote:
Beast Mode wrote:Al Davis had a few years here and there of success [very little considering how long he's been an owner] ... and since then he's manage to drive the franchise into the ground as far as he possibly can. He's far from being a great owner, sorry. And what is exactly is this legacy he has? The "Just Win Baby " montra? Thats what he hangs his hat on? Sorry.



Not correct.

LEGACY
* 1st & only guy to be coach, owner, commissioner
* broke down the racial barriers by hiring African Americans, Latinos & females for high level positions.
* Gambled on hiring Young coaches whom have led him to superbowls
* His team has appeared in more TITLE GAMES (AFC/AFL CHAMPIONSHIPS then any other team over the last 50 years) - & his legacy of being in big titles games is only
highlighted by the fact that 3 out of the TOP 10 most controversial plays in all of football... Cost his team the Game & advancing to the Bigger stage.

What's so special about the Raiders Dynasty is there ability to have great teams.

They are on a whole different playing level compared to the NINERS who'm went to 5 superbowls (& won them all) in the space of 7-9 years.

But Al Davis, for the last 50 years is one of the only owners (along with the Rooney family) to keep sending squads to superbowls in different eras/decades.

That just proves he's a got a great eye for talent, where as the NINERS legacy even though they won more titles.. will always been known as Bill Walsh who got lucky with 3 players (RICE, YOUNG, MONTANA) & they may never return to the big game again, with the way things be going)

What team you follow Beast Mode??


I'm a Saints fan holmes :)


WHO DAT?


Al has basically just been around a really long time. Bill Walsh got lucky with 3 players? Bill was an innovator. So Al is a great owner because he broke racial barriers? It was gonna happen regardless. He doesn't get bonus points for that. And lol at "great eye for talent" ... I point to the last 20 years
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» Sun Jul 18, 2010 2:29 pm
Beast Mode wrote:
PAWNO wrote:
Beast Mode wrote:Al Davis had a few years here and there of success [very little considering how long he's been an owner] ... and since then he's manage to drive the franchise into the ground as far as he possibly can. He's far from being a great owner, sorry. And what is exactly is this legacy he has? The "Just Win Baby " montra? Thats what he hangs his hat on? Sorry.



Not correct.

LEGACY
* 1st & only guy to be coach, owner, commissioner
* broke down the racial barriers by hiring African Americans, Latinos & females for high level positions.
* Gambled on hiring Young coaches whom have led him to superbowls
* His team has appeared in more TITLE GAMES (AFC/AFL CHAMPIONSHIPS then any other team over the last 50 years) - & his legacy of being in big titles games is only
highlighted by the fact that 3 out of the TOP 10 most controversial plays in all of football... Cost his team the Game & advancing to the Bigger stage.

What's so special about the Raiders Dynasty is there ability to have great teams.

They are on a whole different playing level compared to the NINERS who'm went to 5 superbowls (& won them all) in the space of 7-9 years.

But Al Davis, for the last 50 years is one of the only owners (along with the Rooney family) to keep sending squads to superbowls in different eras/decades.

That just proves he's a got a great eye for talent, where as the NINERS legacy even though they won more titles.. will always been known as Bill Walsh who got lucky with 3 players (RICE, YOUNG, MONTANA) & they may never return to the big game again, with the way things be going)

What team you follow Beast Mode??


I'm a Saints fan holmes :)


WHO DAT?


Al has basically just been around a really long time. Bill Walsh got lucky with 3 players? Bill was an innovator. So Al is a great owner because he broke racial barriers? It was gonna happen regardless. He doesn't get bonus points for that. And lol at "great eye for talent" ... I point to the last 20 years


Don't even bother, he's been drinking the Raiders Kool Aid way too long. I could take his arguments seriously, except when his counter arguments talk about Bill Wash being lucky with 3 players. I mean go back and learn some history, you seem to use the history angle with the Raiders, yet with the niners, pawno uses such faulty arguments.

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» Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:13 pm
RobDIKUM wrote:
Beast Mode wrote:
PAWNO wrote:
Beast Mode wrote:Al Davis had a few years here and there of success [very little considering how long he's been an owner] ... and since then he's manage to drive the franchise into the ground as far as he possibly can. He's far from being a great owner, sorry. And what is exactly is this legacy he has? The "Just Win Baby " montra? Thats what he hangs his hat on? Sorry.



Not correct.

LEGACY
* 1st & only guy to be coach, owner, commissioner
* broke down the racial barriers by hiring African Americans, Latinos & females for high level positions.
* Gambled on hiring Young coaches whom have led him to superbowls
* His team has appeared in more TITLE GAMES (AFC/AFL CHAMPIONSHIPS then any other team over the last 50 years) - & his legacy of being in big titles games is only
highlighted by the fact that 3 out of the TOP 10 most controversial plays in all of football... Cost his team the Game & advancing to the Bigger stage.

What's so special about the Raiders Dynasty is there ability to have great teams.

They are on a whole different playing level compared to the NINERS who'm went to 5 superbowls (& won them all) in the space of 7-9 years.

But Al Davis, for the last 50 years is one of the only owners (along with the Rooney family) to keep sending squads to superbowls in different eras/decades.

That just proves he's a got a great eye for talent, where as the NINERS legacy even though they won more titles.. will always been known as Bill Walsh who got lucky with 3 players (RICE, YOUNG, MONTANA) & they may never return to the big game again, with the way things be going)

What team you follow Beast Mode??


I'm a Saints fan holmes :)


WHO DAT?


Al has basically just been around a really long time. Bill Walsh got lucky with 3 players? Bill was an innovator. So Al is a great owner because he broke racial barriers? It was gonna happen regardless. He doesn't get bonus points for that. And lol at "great eye for talent" ... I point to the last 20 years


Don't even bother, he's been drinking the Raiders Kool Aid way too long. I could take his arguments seriously, except when his counter arguments talk about Bill Wash being lucky with 3 players. I mean go back and learn some history, you seem to use the history angle with the Raiders, yet with the niners, pawno uses such faulty arguments.



you guys are naive for underrating Al Davis. He has had an awful decade (mainly cuz he is old and his stubbornness hasn't caught on into the 21st century). BUT he helped made the NFL to what it has become. Apparently, you have forgotten that since Al Davis took over the team in 1963, the raiders had a winning percentage of .661 (66.1%) from then to 1992. The raiders had a stretch during that time where they had winning records in 19 of 20 seasons. The raiders are the only team to play in the super bowl in the 1960's, 70's, and 80's. Even though the 00's was a horrible decade, at least we can say we made a superbowl in that decade.

I wouldn't go as far as pawno with his 49er bashing. I have deep respect for the niners, its players, and Bill Walsh and co. But people just do not know the history of the raiders and how dominate they were in NFL history for so many years.
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» Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:42 pm
Mr. Crackerz wrote:
RobDIKUM wrote:
Beast Mode wrote:
PAWNO wrote:
Beast Mode wrote:Al Davis had a few years here and there of success [very little considering how long he's been an owner] ... and since then he's manage to drive the franchise into the ground as far as he possibly can. He's far from being a great owner, sorry. And what is exactly is this legacy he has? The "Just Win Baby " montra? Thats what he hangs his hat on? Sorry.



Not correct.

LEGACY
* 1st & only guy to be coach, owner, commissioner
* broke down the racial barriers by hiring African Americans, Latinos & females for high level positions.
* Gambled on hiring Young coaches whom have led him to superbowls
* His team has appeared in more TITLE GAMES (AFC/AFL CHAMPIONSHIPS then any other team over the last 50 years) - & his legacy of being in big titles games is only
highlighted by the fact that 3 out of the TOP 10 most controversial plays in all of football... Cost his team the Game & advancing to the Bigger stage.

What's so special about the Raiders Dynasty is there ability to have great teams.

They are on a whole different playing level compared to the NINERS who'm went to 5 superbowls (& won them all) in the space of 7-9 years.

But Al Davis, for the last 50 years is one of the only owners (along with the Rooney family) to keep sending squads to superbowls in different eras/decades.

That just proves he's a got a great eye for talent, where as the NINERS legacy even though they won more titles.. will always been known as Bill Walsh who got lucky with 3 players (RICE, YOUNG, MONTANA) & they may never return to the big game again, with the way things be going)

What team you follow Beast Mode??


I'm a Saints fan holmes :)


WHO DAT?


Al has basically just been around a really long time. Bill Walsh got lucky with 3 players? Bill was an innovator. So Al is a great owner because he broke racial barriers? It was gonna happen regardless. He doesn't get bonus points for that. And lol at "great eye for talent" ... I point to the last 20 years


Don't even bother, he's been drinking the Raiders Kool Aid way too long. I could take his arguments seriously, except when his counter arguments talk about Bill Wash being lucky with 3 players. I mean go back and learn some history, you seem to use the history angle with the Raiders, yet with the niners, pawno uses such faulty arguments.



you guys are naive for underrating Al Davis. He has had an awful decade (mainly cuz he is old and his stubbornness hasn't caught on into the 21st century). BUT he helped made the NFL to what it has become. Apparently, you have forgotten that since Al Davis took over the team in 1963, the raiders had a winning percentage of .661 (66.1%) from then to 1992. The raiders had a stretch during that time where they had winning records in 19 of 20 seasons. The raiders are the only team to play in the super bowl in the 1960's, 70's, and 80's. Even though the 00's was a horrible decade, at least we can say we made a superbowl in that decade.

I wouldn't go as far as pawno with his 49er bashing. I have deep respect for the niners, its players, and Bill Walsh and co. But people just do not know the history of the raiders and how dominate they were in NFL history for so many years.


are you forgetting the 90's? They were awful in the 90's. He did a lot of good things for the Team and the League early on, but its a whole hell of a lot easier to be a "pioneer" in the early days of a growing sport. If the damn thing fails, nobody knows, because nobody cares. If it blows up to what it is now, then he did something great. He had his moments for a long time, but the past 20 years, give or take a couple years in there, have been terrible. The bright spot was the early 00's when they really should have had a chance to be in 2 super bowls.
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» Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:51 pm
^ Yep. Tuck rule f'd them over but still. If you have to go back to 1992 ask your argument than you made our argument yourself. The last 20 years he ain't done ISHHHHHHHHHH. None of the coaches wanted to take JaMarcus 1st overall, Al did. [CJ was obviously the most talented prospect, glad they didnt get a chance to ruin his career though]. Noone in the world thought Heyward-Bey will be half of what Crabtree was 2 years ago. Al went with Heyward-Bey. Trading the 1st round pick for Seymour? Good addition but for what, 2 years? Patriots will probably have a gift of a top 10 pick on their hands this year.

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