TMC wrote:

migya wrote:Bulls always won as well and that did make things rough but I say the truth and that it is that the Bulls were a great team, the second threepeat team being the best team ever, and Jordan is the greatest player ever!

What made it even more amazing was the fact that those Bulls' teams weren't exactly loaded. He had Pippen, Rodman, Horace Grant, Ron Harper, Kukoc... and a few, very limited, role players. And not all of them at the same time. That's a proof of how great he was.

The Lakers three peats weren't loaded either - they had lots of role players and good coaching. Neither team had as many stars as the 2004 exiting mavericks. Just goes to show you (migya) that you need role players to win

tHe_pEsTiLeNcE wrote:

TMC wrote:

migya wrote:Bulls always won as well and that did make things rough but I say the truth and that it is that the Bulls were a great team, the second threepeat team being the best team ever, and Jordan is the greatest player ever!

What made it even more amazing was the fact that those Bulls' teams weren't exactly loaded. He had Pippen, Rodman, Horace Grant, Ron Harper, Kukoc... and a few, very limited, role players. And not all of them at the same time. That's a proof of how great he was.

well, respectful dissent, TMC. Pippen was one of the 50 greatest of all time, and Rodman, while a sick f**k was arguably the best defensive forward, certainly best rebounder, of all time. And they had the coach best able to work with headstrong superstars in 9 ring Phil Jackson. They all knew and accepted their roles, as it seems the Suns do now (Marion is a tiny ? there). So it wasn't exactly MJ against the world.

coltraning wrote:well, respectful dissent, TMC. Pippen was one of the 50 greatest of all time, and Rodman, while a sick f**k was arguably the best defensive forward, certainly best rebounder, of all time. And they had the coach best able to work with headstrong superstars in 9 ring Phil Jackson. They all knew and accepted their roles, as it seems the Suns do now (Marion is a tiny ? there). So it wasn't exactly MJ against the world.

Yeah, I said that about Pippen, and Rodman may be labeled as the best role player of all time, but far from a star (he was one, but only at one side of the court).

The coach shouldn't really count as far as how loaded the team was (the less help, the best job he does, obviously, but it's not like he has any option but to work with what he has).

So it's just MJ and Pippen against the world, with some help from role players. That's all that (first) team had. The Bulls second three-peat team was better, tho. Rodman alone gives them extra toughness.

TMC wrote:

coltraning wrote:well, respectful dissent, TMC. Pippen was one of the 50 greatest of all time, and Rodman, while a sick f**k was arguably the best defensive forward, certainly best rebounder, of all time. And they had the coach best able to work with headstrong superstars in 9 ring Phil Jackson. They all knew and accepted their roles, as it seems the Suns do now (Marion is a tiny ? there). So it wasn't exactly MJ against the world.

Yeah, I said that about Pippen, and Rodman may be labeled as the best role player of all time, but far from a star (he was one, but only at one side of the court).

The coach shouldn't really count as far as how loaded the team was (the less help, the best job he does, obviously, but it's not like he has any option but to work with what he has).

So it's just MJ and Pippen against the world, with some help from role players. That's all that (first) team had. The Bulls second three-peat team was better, tho. Rodman alone gives them extra toughness.

Rodman IMO is a top 50 player all time because he is so much better at rebounding than anybody ever was and a top five defender all time. If he weren't a headcase he'd be thought of as a top 50 player ever because his rebounding was off the charts and his defense was phenomenal too.

tHe_pEsTiLeNcE wrote:The Lakers three peats weren't loaded either - they had lots of role players and good coaching. Neither team had as many stars as the 2004 exiting mavericks. Just goes to show you (migya) that you need role players to win

The Lakers threepeat team was not all that loaded either, that's true, much ike The Bulls championship tems. That does show that Phil Jackson is a very good coach as he had to work role players around a couple of superstars effectively and he did that for three threepeat teams.

I never said that a team didn't need role players but superstars can play great roles