xBayAreaWarriorx wrote:

migya wrote:

xBayAreaWarriorx wrote:

migya wrote:

xBayAreaWarriorx wrote:True but Kobe deserved MVP also. Sure he had Odom and Kwame, but neither stayed consistent enough every night for Kobe to not have to put up 30+. And even though it wasn't much, he got them to the 7th seed, especially when pretty much everyone doubted this team and thought they'd be a lottery once again.

I totally disagree with Kobe being considered MVP last season! He raised his scoring yes, but the guy was not a team player. Iverson has done what Kobe did last season for years but with a less talented team even and he only got one MVP - The season he took his team to the finals!

So what if he's done it for years? Iverson did in the East. The weak conference where the two top seeds have actual winning records and the rest are barely over .500. Not only did Kobe defy all odds, but he carried this team alone, in the West. Now you can define MVP anyway you want, but Kobe was the most valuable that season to his team. Without him, the Lakers would have surely been a top 3 lottery pick.

Last season I would have said the same thing but after what happened this season, with the Lakers winning without Kobe, I'm not so sure he is such a one man team and see Odom as a VERY valuable player that makes the others better than what they actually are!

My point is that you have to make your team a real winner and the Lakers were nowhere near that last season. Nash is what makes the Suns a great team as can be seen by the many more wins they have had since he has been there compared to before he arrived

True. But now that the Lakers are alive with guys like Walton, Turiaf, and Kwame, I'd think so too. Those guys who were no where to be seen last year are now contributing.

Also, about Kobe's scoring performance this year. I'm just curious, is it really the new ball that is affecting his scoring performance in a negative way and helping out guys like Redd in a positive way?

TMC wrote:I'm a little late in this thread...

Even tho Nash is being the main contender for the MVP so far, I don't think he'll win it. Not having won two in a row... He would have to average 20 assists per game to have a chance. Not gonna happen.

TMC wrote:To me, the contenders are Lebron (needs to improve, tho, bot his game and the Cavs record), Kobe and Yao. The way the season is going, I'd be extremely surprised if one of those three is not the MVP at season's end.

#32 wrote:You make a REAL attractive case for Nash, Pest... but I just can't believe that we can declare an MVP when we're only 20 games out.

What if Nash blew out his knee tomorrow?

I mean, of course, if Nash played at this level all year long, the trophy is as good as his. But anything can happen. We still have 3/4's of the season left.

migya wrote:I really think Nash deserves all the recognition he has gotten. Not many players in nba history have meant this much to their team's success. His numbers this season are amazing so the guy is improving personally as well as the team

TMC wrote:

migya wrote:I really think Nash deserves all the recognition he has gotten. Not many players in nba history have meant this much to their team's success. His numbers this season are amazing so the guy is improving personally as well as the team

Yeah, but the league needs to sell it's stars... and it's harder to sell a guy whose game is based on improving other players. Add to that the Suns don't have much success in the playoffs (I'm talking at least getting to the finals) and Nash, even tho he may deserve it, it's a tough choice for the league.

migya wrote:That's a debateable point as nash has got MVP the last two seasons.

TMC wrote:

migya wrote:That's a debateable point as nash has got MVP the last two seasons.

That's what I'm saying. That's a point against him. No matter if he deserves it more than others, he'll only win it if he's CLEARLY the best player. If it's a close pick, it won't be Nash.

TMC wrote:

migya wrote:That's a debateable point as nash has got MVP the last two seasons.

That's what I'm saying. That's a point against him. No matter if he deserves it more than others, he'll only win it if he's CLEARLY the best player. If it's a close pick, it won't be Nash.

tHe_pEsTiLeNcE wrote:I understand what you're saying (migya doesn't) but I think that you forget that the MVP award is chosen by sports writers and each individual sports writer is not going to think "hmmmm..... this is an anonymous vote..... but he's won it twice I want to give it to somebody else because the league needs more money"

coltraning wrote:the Suns are on a 12 game streak. Just for sake of argument, let's say they win 51 of their next 60 and finish 66-16...to do that in a conference as loaded as the West, how could you NOT give it to him?

coltraning wrote:the Suns are on a 12 game streak. Just for sake of argument, let's say they win 51 of their next 60 and finish 66-16...to do that in a conference as loaded as the West, how could you NOT give it to him? Or, if they win 40 of their next 45, he gets back spasms and they go 8-8 without him, again, you make the case. We shall see...