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 Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:11 pm
Tony Parker? Overrated.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:49 pm
You called him a chinaman in a the "Good old days" thread (I first noticed it this time when I was looking for exactly what you said about certain players). Chinaman has always been a degrading term towards chinese people. It seems to have been a difference of definitions. now for my opinion of some of those A-List stars: Paul Pierce - Tracy McGrady's doppelganger. Both have had careers on bad teams, and do a little bit of everything, though pierce is showing another dimension of his game this year Vince Carter - I don't see how you can call tmac a ballhog and VC not a ballhog. VC has had equal or better teammates and still manages to shoot more yet pass and rebound less than Tmac. Michael Redd - Michael Redd is a one dimensional shooter. Tmac is a better scorer, rebounder, passer, and defender than him. Tony Parker - Once again, T-mac is better at every single facet of the game than this "point guard" There are several more I would take (healthy) tmac over, but these are the most glaring ones.   |
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:12 pm
I didn't think so. The term is used freely in many of my classes and none of the Asian-American students seem to care. I didn't mean anything degrading by it; I was simply using it as a colorful term to describe it. Not really an issue unless you make it one. Now, lets address your comments on the players:
Paul Pierce is far from simply McGrady's doppelganger. First of all, Pierce is a much better rebounder than McGrady (he lacks 2 inches on Tracy, but still gathers more RPG between their careers). He's also a far better defender than McGrady (even hitting 2.1 SPG one season, something McGrady's never come close to). Most of their differences can't be found on a stat sheet, but they are extremely obvious when you see them play.
You are correct, on this one. I meant to put Carter in the missed-cut category, under the same terms as Richardson (he's only a scorer). My mistake; you found a typo.
Michael Redd is also a phenominal defender. In fact, his shooting was virtually unknown when he was drafted; he came into the league as a defensive stand-out. Redd is a Bruce Bowen type; the kind of guy who won't impress Fantasy owners on the defensive end, but still gets the job done. Thats the reason I included him (I pretty much knew somebody would ask why). Because he's an offensive-defensive threat.
Except, of course, shooting percentage and assists. McGrady (since leaving the bench of Toronto) averages 39.01 MPG on his career. Tony Parker averages 33.12. Disregarding the huge gap in minutes, Parker still manages to dish out 5.4 APG on his career (which is 7.8 per 48 minutes... not bad for a point guard who also shoots 48% from the field).  GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS DIE HARD   |
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:36 pm
Parker still doesn't deserve "A list" star though. Michael Redd is borderline, Pierce def. A list. Definitely going to be disagreements from people cause that always happens when you make an opionated list. But I think it's well thought out. Good job.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:45 pm
I won't argue on paul pierce, because that's just aesthetic preference
As for Michael Redd, he is incredible inconsistent on the defensive end. There are some years when he's a good defender, other years where he's an ABYSMAL defender, other years where he's just average. On years when he's not playing defense, he's just a shooter Tony Parker may average 5.4 apg, but that's not good for a point guard, a guy who's supposed to be the distributor (tracy mcgrady averages 4+ assists as a SG/SF who's always been the primary option and almost never had good players to pass to). It's even more pathetic when you take into account that that point guard can penetrate AT WILL, has allstars to pass to (TD, Ginobili, etc), Shooters to pass too (bowen, horry, barry, etc) and plays in an offense that focuses on passing. If he had any passing talent he'd get an amazing number of assists in this situation with his penetration talent. |
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:56 pm
I guess these are the two (along with Tracy McGrady) that we're gonna end up disagreeing on. I think Tony Parker's ability to score a huge amount of points, at a high percentage, while dishing out assists, on a team that caters to Tim Duncan is impressive. I disagree that San Antonio is a passing offense; I think they're more of a post-offense. Duncan has the ball more than anyone else, more nights than not. Tony Parker is one of the few second options in the league that could be star quality without their roadblocking franchise. Michael Redd is debateable. Like I said, I knew people would ask about him... and I guess it just depends. I think he's a great defender, more often than not. Not a stat-sheet guy; but he gets the job done. Any thread that evolves into a discussion about who the best players in the league are never ends in agreement. GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS DIE HARD |
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:23 am
Tracey McGrady is one of the most extreme talents in nba history! Through a chronic back problem the man still does better than most and was scoring champion and a great allround player since leaving the Raptors! He has never been on teams that had alot of talent, as the Raptors (which really shouldn't be counted because he was nowhere near the main guy there) had a couple of good players and scrubs, the Magic had an injured Grant Hill, McGrady and noone else worth metioning and the Rockets had an underachieing Yao Ming, until last season (where he was injured alot anyway) and the Rockets didn't have and still don't have any real talent other than TMac and Yao (Battier is a very good role player but that's it). TMac has never had the team that Kobe had when he won championships and that guys like Duncan, Billups, Nash and Dirk have had and that is why he hasn't been that successful in the playoffs! It is not his fault!   migya make the ring fall on ya |
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:33 am
Like I said, his teams were garbage! Much like one Kevin Garnett's migya make the ring fall on ya |
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:35 am
Well siad Colt! Those players you mentioned #32 don't deserve to be mentioned with TMac! They did fukall for him! migya make the ring fall on ya |
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:03 am
All i can say is = When you make up your mind that you don't like someone #32, you don't see logic about them!!!! Going by your so called factors, Kobe is not a A-List player! Neither is Pierce, Dirk, Carter, Wade, Redd and Parker (never one you liked anyway). As far as McGrady only being a scorer and nothing else - LOOK AT THE STATS! Comparing TMac to Kobe (always been held highly by you previously): Using stats from the 2004/2005 season, where they both missed only a handful of games: TMAC = 25.7pts, 6.2rebs, 5.7asts, 1.7stls, 0.7blks, 2.6TOs KOBE = 27.6pts, 5.9rebs, 6.0asts, 1.3stls, 0.8blks, 4.1TOs Conclusion - Pretty much dead even! For their careers: TMAC = 622games, 34:47minutes a game, 44.0FG%, 75.6FT%, 6.4rebs, 4.4asts, 2.3TOs, 1.4stls, 1.1blks, 22.1pts KOBE = 715games, 35:42minutes a game, 45.2FG%, 83.7FT%, 5.1rebs, 4.5asts, 2.5TOs, 1.9stls, 0.6blks, 23.8pts *As can be seen, TMac is a more allround player than Kobe but both are among the most statistically allround players in the nba! FACT - Both are superstars and elite players so Tracey McGrady is a SUPERSTAR and definately better than such players as Redd and Billups for fuk's sake! migya make the ring fall on ya |
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:22 am
I can agree with the qualities you require for a superstar... but then, about the players mentioned, how can you include Kobe on the list and not Iverson or Arenas?. Kobe is the biggest ballhog of the lot... And Michael Redd and Tony Parker? Redd is, as Pest said, and average defender. Sometimes plays well, sometimes doesn't play D at all. I consider Ray Allen as a better all-around player than Redd. And Parker is a joke as a pg. He's more of a SG that plays PG... without his scoring, he's nothing but a backup. Other surprising picks: Dwight Howard.- He'll definately be a superstar, but he's too inconsisten right now. He can get 20 and 20 as easily as 8 and 6... He's still a few years away of being a true superstar. Vince Carter.- He can't make that list without commitment to winning. He's playing great 'cos he's in his contract year only. Kirililenko.- I'd wait till he recovers the importance he had two seasons ago... My list of superstars would be a lot smaller. I don't have time now, but I'll post it later. |
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