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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:49 pm
Yeah, but I've seen Duncan playing alongside David Robinson and Will Perdue... and it worked. It can get worse than that.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:51 pm
Duncan has naturally become a PF in the NBA. He was a center in college, but they shifted him to PF so he could start next to Robinson... and he's been a 4 ever since (like you said, with Perdue... and, recently, Nesterovic).

Shaq and Mourning lack the midrange of Duncan; they're better back-to-the-basket players (like traditional 5's)... so a PF transition is less likely.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:36 pm
#32 wrote:Mostly because of Zo's kidney. :wink:

But also because they're centers. They play the same position. Sure, they're two of the most talented players on the roster... but Riley understands that playing them at the same time would be awkward and strange. Shaq takes up the entire paint by himself on offense... and so does Zo (on defense) when he's in. Having them share the paint would be an awkward site.

One might think, "Oh, you get Shaq's offense and Zo's defense!", but that wouldn't be the case. They'd be playing beside one another... and, thus, have to accept smaller roles.



I would play them together! Just to really hit the opposition! It would work but it would help if Zo used his jumpshot which he used more early in his career and not so much the last few years. Defensively it would be awesome but you are right that it would be a little awkward. Haslem does a great job especially with his shooting
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:39 pm
#32 wrote:Duncan has naturally become a PF in the NBA. He was a center in college, but they shifted him to PF so he could start next to Robinson... and he's been a 4 ever since (like you said, with Perdue... and, recently, Nesterovic).

Shaq and Mourning lack the midrange of Duncan; they're better back-to-the-basket players (like traditional 5's)... so a PF transition is less likely.



Hit the nail on the head! Duncan has a great jumpshot but he is also a very good passer and that makes him a great post player that can create for others smoothly. Robinson was the same and both were smarter than most PF/C type players
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migya wrote:I would play them together! Just to really hit the opposition! It would work but it would help if Zo used his jumpshot which he used more early in his career and not so much the last few years. Defensively it would be awesome but you are right that it would be a little awkward. Haslem does a great job especially with his shooting

Playing Shaq and Mourning on the floor at the same time sounds appealing, but I couldn't do it.

#1, you completely lose all of your speed on the floor. Having 2 trailors is pushing it. Plus, like I said earlier, you crowd the inside. On offense, it may open up the perimeter (aka, the lowest percentage shots)... but there's no advantage on defense (except the other team can't be in the paint at all). Shaq and Mourning are power players; neither have an ounce of finese in them. This scenario might work with Duncan/Admiral, Hakeem/Sampson, ect... but two hulks like Shaq and Zo wouldn't.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:42 pm
if you played shaq and mourning at the same time against phoenix you'd lose about 45912-45910
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:20 pm
#32 wrote:
migya wrote:I would play them together! Just to really hit the opposition! It would work but it would help if Zo used his jumpshot which he used more early in his career and not so much the last few years. Defensively it would be awesome but you are right that it would be a little awkward. Haslem does a great job especially with his shooting

Playing Shaq and Mourning on the floor at the same time sounds appealing, but I couldn't do it.

#1, you completely lose all of your speed on the floor. Having 2 trailors is pushing it. Plus, like I said earlier, you crowd the inside. On offense, it may open up the perimeter (aka, the lowest percentage shots)... but there's no advantage on defense (except the other team can't be in the paint at all). Shaq and Mourning are power players; neither have an ounce of finese in them. This scenario might work with Duncan/Admiral, Hakeem/Sampson, ect... but two hulks like Shaq and Zo wouldn't.



You would have to top 20 alltime Centers on the court at the same time! Very appealing! The offense might be a little slow but the defense would scare the shiit out of everyone! Noone would take it inside
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:22 pm
Um...? Quicker guards would easily juke the big guys. No need to go inside, juke 'em out on the perimeter. Easy shots. Plus two, the big guys wouldn't get back on D before the guards so they would have unbelievable fast-breaking.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:32 pm
John Patrick wrote:Um...? Quicker guards would easily juke the big guys. No need to go inside, juke 'em out on the perimeter. Easy shots. Plus two, the big guys wouldn't get back on D before the guards so they would have unbelievable fast-breaking.



Mourning is not that slow at all. On offense, both shaq and Mourning are real good too and it would be a nightmare to try to stop the two of them. Might be a weird setup but could be a winner
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:39 pm
Against quick guards like Bryant and Wade? Hell no, speed is a no-brainer.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:21 pm
John Patrick wrote:Against quick guards like Bryant and Wade? Hell no, speed is a no-brainer.



Um, they wouldn't be against Wade, he is their teammate :wink:

Centers don't run back in transition to stop fast guards, that is their guards job to do that. In half court defense, the Heat would be the best
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:33 pm
Yeah but a guard can easily run out on the break fast! Any team will do that against 2 centers (Suns do it against everyone). And Wade was a comparison. (Quick guards like McGrady... happy now :roll: 8) )
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:38 pm
John Patrick wrote:Yeah but a guard can easily run out on the break fast! Any team will do that against 2 centers (Suns do it against everyone). And Wade was a comparison. (Quick guards like McGrady... happy now :roll: 8) )



Like I said, which Centers run in transition to stop guards like Kobe and TMac? NONE!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:43 pm
K, but since there are two centers, how many non-centers are being guarded by a center whose "job isn't to guard the break"? ONE. Creating a 4 or 5 (if the center is fast) vs 3. Advantage: offense. Teams will initiate the break every time.
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John Patrick wrote:K, but since there are two centers, how many non-centers are being guarded by a center whose "job isn't to guard the break"? ONE. Creating a 4 or 5 (if the center is fast) vs 3. Advantage: offense. Teams will initiate the break every time.



But Mourning is as fast as most PFs anyway, he is no slow lug
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