TMC wrote:xbay wrote:TMC wrote:3.- Now, to discuss a little... if Kurt Warner wins another SB ring with the Cards, and considering his almost MVP-like season, should he be considered for the HOF? (Well, considered it's a must... but would he make it?).
4 Pro Bowls, 2 MVPs, 1 SB MVP, 1 SB ring. He was a no body from the Arena League and helped lead "The Greatest Show on Turf" with Bruce and Faulk. I believe he has an impressive enough resume to go.
Yeah, but he's also had a few awful seasons to go along with that, and got his best stats for teams with Marshall Faulk, Torry Holt and Ike Bruce in their prime, as well as Boldin, Fitzgerald and Breaston now...
I think there's room for debate, at least. I'm tempted to to say he should be in, but still got some doubts. For example, I find more impressive what McNabb has achieved in Philly with no talent at WR during all those years (except for T.O.'s year) than what Warner has done.
True, which is why you can separate him from many great QBs. I don't find him as one of the great ones, but he did perform like one for a short period of time. Even if you took 2/3 SB rings Brady has won away from him, I'd still consider Tom better because he has proven he can do it even without talented weapons. The year before Moss, he had no one to work with at WR, TE, or RB. They were all either decent to below-average options. Yet, he still made them work.
TMC wrote:xbay wrote:Here's another question... are the Steelers one of the best, if not the best ran franchise in all of professional sports?
I mean, look at it... 5 SB wins, 7 SB appearances, 7-time AFC Champs, 19-time Division Champs, 25 playoff appearances, 21 HoFs, the "Steel Curtain" defense, the Rooney family has been owners since the franchise starter, and ever since Chuck Noll... they had only Bill Cowher and Mike Tomlin to succeed as coach.
That's a tough one... They're the best in NFL's history, that's for sure... but in all pro sports?. I'm not so sure. The Lakers come to mind, for example, and I'd say it's harder to win the NBA ring than the SB.