Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:09 pm
anybody who isn't a mavs hater should be able to admit it
Wrong. Only Mav's supporters are clamoring for punishment for the ref's. The rest of the league could care less. Warriors fans don't believe 'the Mav's were screwed', only Mavericks fans do.
I'm not a maverick fan, just a fan of the game (unlike shaq fans)yes but Miami got more of the bad calls going their way because they had wade
Not true. Dirk and Wade cancel each other out. The series had bad calls all around and until you present a formal study; picking apart each and every bad call, the subject will remain inconclusive and impossible to prove, so there's no use arguing it.
Dirk and wade do not in the slightest cancel each other out. Dirk rarely had bad calls go his way because he was a ***** and didn't drive to the hoopI do deny them props because they're the worst championship team since the 70s (except maybe the 99 spurs).
That's your opinion. A lineup featuring Dwayne Wade, Alonzo Mourning, Shaquille O'Neal, Gary Payton, Antoine Walker, James Posey, and Jason Williams is actually a much better team than anything Detroit or San Antonio has put together as of late. This Heat team is actually the best championship squad since the Lakers won it. But, like I said, hate if you must.
They had great talent, sure, but most championship teams would dominate these guys. They were lucky enough to play two teams that, while superior, were playing in a funkAs I said in the other thread, O'neal doesn't get as many shot attempts because he can't get open as easily. He doesn't get as many minutes because he makes no attempt to stay in mediocre shape
I won't even respond to this. You are completely biased. Shaquille O'Neal dropped over 20 pounds this season, which is a helluva method to "stay in shape". If you won't even acknowledge that, there's no use beating my fist into a brick wall. You won't listen to reason regarding Shaquille O'Neal.
Incorrect. Shaq dropped 20 pounds last season. Shaq gained 20 pounds this season"clearly had his man beat". Diop was so much quicker than shaq that there were many times when shaq had diop pinned and diop got around him by the time the pass got there to deflect it.
No, the perimeter players collapsed on Shaq, cutting off the pass or forcing a kickout. Diop wasn't even an obstacle... and Dallas knew that, which is why they doubled (and tripled) Shaq like crazy the whole series. Against 2 or 3 opponents at all times, the big man still managed to put up 17, 16, and 18 point games. No other player operated the whole series in double coverage. Two defenders forced Shaq to 'only score' just under 20 points. And you STILL refuse to give him props...
Shaq was almost never tripled and he was single teamed every fourth quarter. he wasn't doubled more than wade this series.miami's main flaw the first two games was playing a team that wasn't in a funk. they corrected that the next four games
Dallas played at a lukewarm level the entire series. Once Miami turned it on, there was no stopping them. Miami was beating themselves in Games 1 and 2.
Dallas beat themselves in games 4,5,6.name me a center who is a superstar in this league this year. there have been 232 player seasons of a guy who plays center averaging 17-12 in the last 45 years. That means that over 5 centers per year on average have put up those numbers. Since there are generally only four or five centers per year who are allstars, unless you think that superstar=allstar, those are not superstar numbers.
Okay than. Shaq put up "all-star numbers".
for three games
He's the best center in the league
in a league where illgauskas, magloire, and dale davis make allstar teams at center that's not saying much
(and he's on the downward slope of a brilliant career).
not going to argue with that
Hakeem didn't put up these numbers when they moved him out of Houston. Neither did Ewing after his exodus from New York. And DRob couldn't put up Shaq's digits with a fellow superstar in the lineup (Duncan for him... Kobe, Wade, and Penny for Shaq).
age 34 hakeem was better than age 34 shaq. and drob and ewing were never as good as shaq
Face it. Shaquille O'Neal is the man. You're just plugging your ears and stomping your feet refusing it. Give the man his due props.
He was the best player in the league for 2-3 years. He is still overrated
He's carried two different teams to championship rings (and he's been there with every team he's been on).
he didn't carry miami to a championship. Wade and luck carried them there.
He's a franchise player; an all-out superstar, even if he isn't putting up the best fantasy numbers for a center anymore.
He WAS a franchise player. He WAS an all out superstar. He is now inferior to 6-8 big men.
History will tell the proper story of Shaquille O'Neal... but, like I said, your selective hearing will never allow you to truly appriciate the greatness of his accomplishments.
I appreciate the greatness of his accomplishments before 2004. I don't appreciate that he peaked at 21 (lack of work ethic) and didn't maximize his abilities because if he had work ethic he could have been the greatest everDwyane wade dominated this series. If shaq were dominant he would have gotten free enough for more shots. And shaq averaged those numbers OVER A SPAN OF A FEW GAMES! Don't you think that a heck of a lot of centers "dominated" like that in a span of three games at some point this season? Marcus Camby was putting up these numbers the first 25 games of the season before he got hurt. You're calling three games of what marcus camby did for 25 games dominant. In a random span of three games of yao's season that I chose, he averaged 33-12
None of those games were pivotal contests in the NBA f'n Finals. Shaq showed up when it counted; in Games 3, 4, and 5. By Game 6, Miami had it in the back and he sat out a good amount of time. Again, continue to hate if it makes you feel better. Say whatever you gotta say to convince yourself that Shaq isn't a franchise player.
He isn't a franchise player anymore. he hasn't been since 2003. To be a franchise player you should at least be the best player on your team.