migya wrote:E-Man wrote:This arguement over who is better btwn Jordan, Kobe, and Lebron will NEVER be decided. Jordan won 6 rings, with good supporting casts. Kobe won 4 rings, with good supporting casts (fyi: I think Kobe had the better supporting cast with Shaq. Shaq was an MVP and Finals MVP which, no matter how much I love Scottie Pippen as a player, can't be said for Pippen). Lebron has yet to win a ring, but led his team to the finals earlier in his career than both Kobe and Jordan. Until LBJ wins ringS, he unfortunately does not have any leverage in this arguement.
As far as Kobe vs. MJ...
MJ has been named MVP 5 times and Kobe 1.
MJ finals MVP 6 times (1 for every ring he has) and Kobe 1.
MJ named to All-Defensive team 9 times and Kobe 7.
MJ DPOY 1 and Kobe 0.
Going by those numbers alone, you'd think MJ wins hands down...but keep in mind Kobe still has the chance to tie/break MJs records. An argument against MJ; when he played, there was no "Lebron" so to speak. There was no one as good and clutch as MJ that made deciding MVP as hard as it is when comparing Kobe and Lebron right now. So this argument comes down to a matter of opinion and really, until Kobe and Lebron retire, will not come to an end.
As far as the matter of ClipperGM....like Mr.Crackerz said, as annoying as he is, he hasn't really done anything wrong. We may not agree with him and he may say things that make us wanna slap him, but like Mr.C., I think he's been overly criticized on this board. I don't really like the guy all that much, but I respect the fact that he comes in here and actually talks basketball.
See, as much as I like the current era (since 2000), Jordan's era had more superstars and more competition. Players like Magic and Bird are comparable to Wade and Lebron (using the comparison of Jordan v Kobe). There was Isiah Thomas, Stockton and Malone, Barkley, Drexler and the Centers were far more talented and at a higher level back then, with Olajuwon, Robinson and Ewing heading the list.
Jordan accomplished more and was recognised as the greatest player, every year from about 1986 onwards, in his career, whereas Kobe has only really been recognised as the best in any one season in his career, about two or three times and even then that's as arguably the best player
I wouldnt say from '86 on...yeah, he was considered good, but during his early years it was all about Magic and Bird (today it's Kobe and Lebron). Jordan was like the Dwyane Wade of that time. I'd say it was '89-'90 when Jordan started getting the recognition as best in the league. That's when Magic became the "Lebron" to Jordan's "Kobe". And even then it was only for 2 seasons as he retired after being diagnosed with HIV. From then 'til '98 it was all about MJ. There were more superstars back then, I agree...but they were superstars like Wade, Dwight, Duncan, Melo, and Yao are superstars. For the years that MJ was dominant, there wasn't another dominant player like the "Kobe and Lebron" today.
And Kobe wasn't just considered the best for one season...People have been debating whether he or Lebron is the best for about 3-4 seasons now. And before that I'm sure most would have said that Kobe was the best player in the league.
I agree with you tho, the era before the current era was IMO more fun to watch as far as competition goes.