Duncan v Garnett

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:38 pm
Looking at the conference playoffs now approaching the end and both Garnett's Celtics and Duncan's Spurs possible to make the nba finals, more the Celts who are up 3-2 than the spurs who are down 3-2, it would be great to see these two PFs who I think are #1 and #2 alltime, go at it finally in the nba finals.

They only met in the playoffs twice, in the 1998-99 and 2000-01 seasons, in the 1st round both times, and both times Duncan's Spurs won 3-1. Their careers are almost over, probably only two or three seasons left for either or both.

Garnett's looking for his second championship, Duncan his fifth. Who has had the better career? Who is the real #1 PF alltime and if they meet this finals, who will win?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:15 am
For me, it is relatively easy...I say Duncan... mainly because Duncan was a better teammate throughout his career, which I believe was a huge factor in winning 4 rings. It took a very long time for KG to be that. It wasn't until Boston where I saw him having trust in his teammates. Duncan never acted like an egotistic superstar. He was just another member of the team who did his job and did what he had to do to win.

Plus, Duncan owns him statically in every major category (career wise). However, KG has had bigger seasons than Duncan. Duncan has 2 MVPs. KG has 1. 4 rings to 1.

When its all said and done, Duncan is a top 10 player of all time. KG will be a top 20 (still incredibly good), not just as good as Duncan.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:33 am
I agree wholeheartedly Crackers, except that stat wise both are very similar, Garnett being slightly better in assists, steals and FT%, Duncan being slightly better in the rest, but it is so close that it is negligible. Absolutely true that Duncan was always a selfless and great team player, that is why he has four championships and everyone of his teammates and even nonteammates love him. Garnett was quite opposite in that he was full of himself quite a bit up until about his eighth year, but even now, he has a bad attitude at times and quite a number of players, former and current teammates and those that weren't, don't like him.

Duncan, to me, is the better player, but Garnett is undeniably an alltime great as well. I agree that Duncan is a top 10 player alltime and that Garnett is a top 20 player, pushing it for top 15, so well said. I really hope both the Spurs and Celtics make it to the finals, because it would be an epic matchup between these two great players and a fitting near end to their careers. Ofcourse, I'd like to see Duncan yet again show that he is superior by winning it all.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:11 pm
You'd put Kevin Garnett over Karl Malone, all-time, migs?

And Charles Barkley?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:46 pm
Certainly I would. Malone is the #3, not far behind Duncan and Garnett at all. Malone is the better scorer for sure, but he is quite a bit less defensively tha the other two and less allround as well. Lack of team success (championships) a big hit o him as well, but excluding that, individually I do't think he is quite as good as TD and KG. Barkley was real good, but didn't do it for as log in his career and was even less defensively than Malone. Barkley I would probably put #4, looks like no other PF can be placed ahead of him, though Elvin Hayes comes close.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:32 pm
Maan... That's rough. And I'd respectfully disagree.

Malone wasn't merely a better scorer than Garnett; he's the 2nd most prolific scorer in NBA History. A huge part of Kevin Garnett's offensive game has always been his midrange, which Malone could not be bested on. Karl was a career 25 PPG player on 51.6%; Garnett's career is 19.3 PPG on 49.9%. A higher percentage shooting more shots is a huge, gaping advantage that statistics do a poor job of expressing.

There's no denying that Garnett is (arguably) the best defensive 4 of all-time NOT considered a specialist (Rodman comes to mind), and you can't go wrong with either pick... I just believe Malone's ability to fill it up is what makes him the 2nd greatest PF of all-time (and, in more fundamentalist circles, the #1).
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:21 pm
Yea, Malone's scoring was always huge and among the best of his era, but his average defense brings him down compared to Duncan and Garnett, who played both ends very well.

If I was to pick a PF to build the rest of the team around, I'd pick Duncan and then Garnett, then Malone. It is opinion ofcourse, but one shared by many journalists and analysts in what I've read. Thnig about both KG and KMalone is that neither could get their team over the top, even though you could say that Jordan's Bulls were there during Malone's career and Shaq's Lakers and Duncan's Spurs were there in Garnett's career.
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