Where would you rank Lebron James alltime

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» Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:17 pm
My whole point in starting this topic was to bring to light how Lebron is an alltime great player and how he is comaprable to Jordan. I believe that Michael Jordan is the Greatest Basketball player ever and noone will ever surpass him. I also believe that likely in some three years many will say it is Lebron. My belief will not change.
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» Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:24 am
I'm only bringing this thread back to have PROPER conversation about this topic and not to have any arguments start or anyone make wayward statements, as you have done recently Stairway. I'm bringing this topic back now because I likely won't be around much for the next few weeks at least if not months and so won't be able to talk much on here. The finals have just ended and much has been said about it but I do think we can talk about this topic at this time.

Lebron is an amazing player and really has been the best player in the nba for a decade or close to it, with only Kobe at his level during some of that time, though he has fallen away the last four years or so. Lebron has the awards and statistics to be in a Greatest Of Alltime discussion. Individually he is definitely a top ten player alltime and some could even say top 5.

Where Lebron James has lacked is number of championships won so far. I think, being objective and not highly critical, that his Cleveland teams were always fairly low on talent and that he carried them, carried a big load with those teams. This season he had two other stars with him in Kyrie and Love but in the finals both were missing and so Lebron again carried the load, so again he had low talent when it counted. He did have much success in his four years in Miami, making the finals all four years and winning back to back in the second and third years. He had two stars with him then in Wade and Bosh but really the rest of the team was average but overall those teams were talented having three superstars.

A major point that can be shown to be factual is that Lebron hasn't stepped up and played like an alltime great player in three of the six finals he has been in. I recently watched part of a segment with Stephen A Smith and Skip Bayless, who are quite animated and rather noncreditable to me but agreed with them on this topic, where they said that though Lebron had little talent with him in the finals, he didn't take the games by the scruff of the neck as such and take it himself anywhere near enough for Cleveland to have a proper chance of winning, especially in Game 6. Footage was shown (I did see most of the game) of Game 6 and Lebron passed far too much to teammates, especially early in the Cleveland offense, instead of creating himself. The point is that an alltime great would do more himself to win the game, especially with little talent around him. To compare, Michael Jordan would have, and did many times in his career, taken not only more shots but also created more shots going to the basket, putting alot of pressure on the other team. Jordan would have gone down, if he had have gone down, fighting and swinging and giving it all he had. Some say Lebron was tired, he played alot of minutes, but I remember Jordan and most superstars in the years I watched the nba, play alot of minutes every game in the playoffs and trying to do more themselves than what Lebron did. Same thing happened against Dallas back in Lebron's first season in Miami and somewhat in last year's finals against San Antonio.

It is a major point that Lebron doesn't always step up and take it himself in big finals games and that will, as it should, tarnish his career and stop many from declaring Lebron James as the Greatest Basketball Player Ever.
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» Fri May 26, 2017 8:10 am
I am bringing back this topic because I recently viewed some videos on Youtube about whether Lebron is now better than Jordan and the GOAT. This thread was created some five years ago and now with Lebron facing the Warriors a third straight time in the finals, his career has elevated as such because of team success.

What do you think - Is Lebron James now the GOAT ahead of Michael Jordan?

Personally I think he isn't, even if he beats the Warriors in these finals. He has to rise in every finals series which he hasn't and in order for him to pass Jordan he'll have to play another three years at least and win at least another two championships and even then, what Jordan accomplished his last six full seasons in Chicago outdo any stretch of time in Lebron's career.
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» Sat May 27, 2017 7:46 pm
I am annoyed at all the Lebron hype lately. Lebron is not Jordan. We all know that if these finals are called fairly, and there's no major injuries or funky suspensions, we are the superior team. Lebron can win because he gets help from the NBA.

I don't put Lebron ahead of Jordan at all. I also put Kareem ahead of Lebron and maybe Wilt. Another player that hasn't gotten credit recently is Shaq.

You can make a great case that Shaq is superior to Lebron. Even though Jordan and Lebron play different positions, people will say that Lebron is a better rebounds, even though it's not by much lol. Well Shaq had way more rebounds than King James, way more shots blocked, a higher field goal percentage, and won 4 championships. I watched both players and Shaq scared me more.

And then there's Kobe. You can argue Lebron is better based on stats. But if you take prime Kobe, he was a better scoring machine than James. 5 championships and 2 were without Shaq. He didn't have to move teams.

I think Lebron is similar to Magic and Bird, but with more hype and arguably more potential and better tools and athleticism.

But he is no Jordan. I will never consider him better than Jordan. He's more powerful than Jordan. He's more of a freight train than Jordan. But Jordan was as perfect as a player as you could get. Lebron has more shortcomings and has had to get help.

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