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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:39 am
everyone needs to settle the **** down.. no way to prove who's got the better team.

this is all for fun. Migya needs to stop giving his Jay Bilas breakdown on YAE/NAE picks like he is some superstar scout. :)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:51 am
8th ave wrote:dude yall need to chill out... its my first legends draft...




Sorry if I sounded like I was poking fun at you/taking the piss out of you. That's never the reasoning behind my posts in this draft thread, but I think you can understand what I'm getting at when talking about what sort of players should not be picked. As crackers said in his last post in response to this post of yours, guys who have just played a few years are not adequate in a Legends Draft for the reasons that they haven't done much yet, no matter how great they've been
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:57 am
There still lot of great players left, but I need a wing player and there was three guys I had in mind. This guy has been one of the most prolific scorers, when healthy, alltime.

I pick Tracy McGrady
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:35 am
Ok.. I'm taking a "Role Player" here

I dont care if you think he is elite.. he's one of the best 6th mans of the last 5 years and does it all and plays multiple positions

Lamar Odom.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:43 pm
Wanted something, couldn't find it, will settle on Artis Gilmore.

Have a feeling centers are going to rack up fouls in this "league" so it's best to have good backups.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:46 pm
Mr. Crackerz wrote:First of all, this is a LEGENDS draft... some of you are drafting on potential. There is no potential in a legends draft. SO drafting players with 1 or 2 good/great years does not result in a great teams.

As for my pick, i go with another perennial winner. The guy's been a part of 7 NBA championships with 3 different clubs. THAT IS MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS BY A PLAYER SINCE THE BILL RUSSELL ERA. He's been called "Captain Clutch", "Mr. Clutch", "Big Shot Bob", "Lights Out", among other names to describe his shooting during key moments of pivotal games.

I want Robert Horry taking my final shot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yRRng1PWsU&feature=related

If you are referring to me, I didn't draft on potential for one player. I am taking guys based on what they have done - whether or not those careers lasted 16 season or are still young. With selecting Derrick Rose and Durant, I considered how good they are now and not how good they will be and I'm please with the selections.

Looking at my roster now, I probably should have got a defensive specialist at one of the guard positions, but that's all I would do different.

@Dirk playing the 3 - His +/- will still be better then any SF guarding him, because no SF or any player for that matter can defend him.

@Migya - Other than record, +/- is the most important stat PERIOD - the whole point of basketball is to score more point than the other guy... right!?! According to +/-, Barkley is no. 1 all time, Nance is no. 7 and Dirk is no. 8. Thus they are statistically the 1st, 7th and 8th best PFs of all time.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:22 pm
so after beast mode picks his team, we have the coaches round, starting with 8th ave.

After that, I think it will be cool for everyone to evaluate their own team based on 5 categories (I am using SI.com's model, as they too did a Legends draft)

COACH: Why you chose your coach and what he will do to make your club succeed.
STYLE OF PLAY: Fast/Slow, Boards Crasher/Fast Break, Small Ball? Defensive Whatever your style of play your team will play, describe it here.
BIGGEST CONCERNS: What do you think your team is lacking?
MY GAME-ON-THE-LINE PLAY: Who do you want running your team in the final minutes of a championship game? who do you want taking your last shot?
SCARIEST RIVAL: Besides your own team, what team do you see as your biggest competition?
WHY MY TEAM IS THE BEST: Why is your team better than anybody elses?


SI's Ultimate draft: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/b ... z1SEaCPKKT
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JREED wrote:I am taking guys based on what they have done - whether or not those careers lasted 16 season or are still young. With selecting Derrick Rose and Durant, I considered how good they are now and not how good they will be and I'm please with the selections.

Looking at my roster now, I probably should have got a defensive specialist at one of the guard positions, but that's all I would do different.


Well maybe I should have set out some clear criteria and/or points for everyone to go by. This is the third time we've had this Legends Draft on the forum, the other two times were in early 2007 and early 2008. The first two times we had a sort of clear idea that it was a draft where the aim was to make teams by picking players that performed at a high standard (as such) over a career or at least a lengthy period of time. In other words, players that have "at least" played for some seven years or so and the shorter the length of the career (specifically in relation to players still currently playing), the high the level, as the time period they played was shorter.

There was no set criteria though, just sort of common sense or more to the point, a consensus point of view by all of the participants. In saying that however, personally I am more than alright with all of us participating this time around to have a consensus opinion about what is really acceptable (as such, using the word acceptable as can't think of any other word really) and what really isn't. Example, is it alright to have players like Derrick Rose (who has just played three years, though was MVP in one of them) and Kevin Durant (played four years at an elite level)? I think no, they just haven't played enough years.

In saying that, if I was to think of a scale of 1-10:
*1 being very low and a player that just shouldn't be in this draft, due to not playing enough years or not doing much in their careers (eg. Todd Fuller)
*10 being very high and a player that played a full career, being a relatively lengthy career (eg. at least 14 years) AND performed at a very high, superstar level (eg. Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain and pretty much all the players picked in the first 8-10 picks in this draft)
*5 being middle of the line and a player that either at least played a fairly lengthy period of time (eg. at least 10 years at a level that is allstar type "in their eras" [eg. a player like Mitch Richmond] or a player that has played at a very high level but for a lesser period of time, yet at least a decent number of years, like six or seven years (eg. Dwayne Wade).
*Common Sense dictates that players which would be rated quite high (as in 8-10) would be picked early, like in the first three or four rounds and that players with a lower rating (as in 5-7) would be picked later. That looks like something that makes sense.

BUT, in saying that, I'm alright with a Consensus agreement or point of view by all of us in this Legends Draft as to what the evaluation of any player and team will be. Example, if Dwight Howard being picked where he was is appropriate as such and whether he should have been picked at all. Personally, and no disrespect to Beast (and therefore any other participant who picked players that haven't played many years) but I don't think Dwight Howard should have been picked in this draft (and he is just an example of a player picked that I think shouldn't have) and definately not as early as he was picked. If the consensus point of view is that he is alright to have been picked here, then we have to discuss how much value he really has compared to the other alltime greats.






JREED wrote:@Dirk playing the 3 - His +/- will still be better then any SF guarding him, because no SF or any player for that matter can defend him.


I think "alltime great SFs" can guard Dirk pretty well and yet he'll not defend them any good, since he is already just an average defender in his era. I'm not saying he would be awful against other alltime greats, but I do think him playing SF is clumsy and work more against him than in his favour.

There are certain players that can play more than one position, even against alltime greats, because they showed they could play more than one position at a very high level during their careers. Dirk isn't one of those. Dirk is a PF and really never been anything else. Bill Russell or Hakeem Olajuwon can play either Center or PF well I think, because both had either done so at some point in their careers and/or they can defend and still play up to their usual standard at both positions.

Again, everyone should say what they think on this.


JREED wrote:@Migya - Other than record, +/- is the most important stat PERIOD - the whole point of basketball is to score more point than the other guy... right!?! According to +/-, Barkley is no. 1 all time, Nance is no. 7 and Dirk is no. 8. Thus they are statistically the 1st, 7th and 8th best PFs of all time.
Cite: http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1654



I respect the +/- statistic, but to be totally honest, that is also dependent on a number of factors, such as;
*Level of competition you played against most games,
*Level of talent and performance of your team and team mates, as they can make you +/- much higher than it would have if your team was a bad one (eg. Kevin Garnett's +/- would likely be much lower when he was on the TWolves than it has been since being with the Celtics).








JREED wrote:And while the comment of sucking on a RIPE **** is inappropriate, it's also discussing - how old are the chicks you kick it with that they have ripe anything....Image

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Inappropriate if your sensitive as such and don't see the humour it was meant to be.

I am married and so don't suck anything but my darling wife's. Again, my statement was in humour only.


I always prefered fresh (as you said it) and young (18-21 being the likely preference) before I got married. I was really only into getting sucked then putting my mouth anywhere near the southern parts myself (they do it straight away anyway, good stuff).

The law has no place in my freedom in relation to women. Consential is all that matters :wink:
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:22 pm
Just moved to Hollywood so I got no internet right now .. On my phone right now ... I'll make my picks tomorrow morning (about to get shitfaced)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:53 pm
Beast Mode wrote:Just moved to Hollywood so I got no internet right now .. On my phone right now ... I'll make my picks tomorrow morning (about to get shitfaced)




Making some movies, blue kind perhaps :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:55 pm
fine wrote:Wanted something, couldn't find it, will settle on Artis Gilmore.

Have a feeling centers are going to rack up fouls in this "league" so it's best to have good backups.


Finally this guy gets picked. I was thinking about getting him from the 8th round onwards, but there were others just a little better. Very good pick that was an alltime great at his position.



Mr. Crackerz wrote:so after beast mode picks his team, we have the coaches round, starting with 8th ave.

After that, I think it will be cool for everyone to evaluate their own team based on 5 categories (I am using SI.com's model, as they too did a Legends draft)

COACH: Why you chose your coach and what he will do to make your club succeed.
STYLE OF PLAY: Fast/Slow, Boards Crasher/Fast Break, Small Ball? Defensive Whatever your style of play your team will play, describe it here.
BIGGEST CONCERNS: What do you think your team is lacking?
MY GAME-ON-THE-LINE PLAY: Who do you want running your team in the final minutes of a championship game? who do you want taking your last shot?
SCARIEST RIVAL: Besides your own team, what team do you see as your biggest competition?
WHY MY TEAM IS THE BEST: Why is your team better than anybody elses?


SI's Ultimate draft: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/b ... z1SEaCPKKT




That's a good list of points Crackers and definately something we can all discuss. Everyone needs to say what they think of all this
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:29 pm
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fine wrote:Wanted something, couldn't find it, will settle on Artis Gilmore.

Have a feeling centers are going to rack up fouls in this "league" so it's best to have good backups.


Finally this guy gets picked. I was thinking about getting him from the 8th round onwards, but there were others just a little better. Very good pick that was an alltime great at his position.




Admittedly I never really heard of him before but he has great stats and great size (7' 2"). Looks pretty mobile for his size too. Great FG%. (That's about all I know)
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:30 pm
And so..........


Since it's the last PLAYER pick of the draft and we're going into COACH picks we don't really have to wait for Beast Mode. He can pick his player whenever he shows up - and it won't hold anyone up.

In the meantime we could move on with the Coach picks and put 8th Ave. on the clock.

btw I'm going to be out of internet range for the next couple of days. Feel free to skip me if patience is not your virtue. I don't know coaches well enough to email choices ahead of time.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:10 pm
Migya wrote:
JREED wrote:And while the comment of sucking on a RIPE **** is inappropriate, it's also discussing - how old are the chicks you kick it with that they have ripe anything....[img]http://images.dmusic.com/v7/emoticons/puke.gif[/img]

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Inappropriate if your sensitive as such and don't see the humour it was meant to be.

I am married and so don't suck anything but my darling wife's. Again, my statement was in humour only.


I always prefered fresh (as you said it) and young (18-21 being the likely preference) before I got married. I was really only into getting sucked then putting my mouth anywhere near the southern parts myself (they do it straight away anyway, good stuff).


It's all good migs, I didn't take it seriously, I was trying to joke as well - maybe I should have included some more smilies... ::wink:

Anyways, you're probably right about Dirk, and I just dont have the basketball knowledge that you do. However, I would use Dirk in a typical SF role and I think he'd still come out on top in the +/- .
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:07 am
fine wrote:And so..........


Since it's the last PLAYER pick of the draft and we're going into COACH picks we don't really have to wait for Beast Mode. He can pick his player whenever he shows up - and it won't hold anyone up.

In the meantime we could move on with the Coach picks and put 8th Ave. on the clock.

btw I'm going to be out of internet range for the next couple of days. Feel free to skip me if patience is not your virtue. I don't know coaches well enough to email choices ahead of time.




Well said and yea, 8th ave can start the coach picking
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